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29 May 2020
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) joined the room.15:35:34
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) Morning! I feel dumb asking this but how do you move between browser tabs or windows with NVDA? Also, why is it so hard to find this information? I've been searching for days. I thought this would be standard info available in all documentation and short cut guides, but it's either buried so deep I can't find it, or I just don't know the terminology. I am rather new to this, thanks in advance for your patience. 15:35:35
@gitter_otahaineh_twitter:matrix.orgOmar Al Tahaineh (Gitter) @DarkMoonRising hi, just use the standard windows shortcuts. Like alt plus tab and ctrl plus tab. 15:40:32
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) @OTahaineh_twitter OMG I'm flabbergasted and slightly ashamed I didn't think of that! I rely heavily on my mouse and almost never use keyboard shortcuts, but I'm learning. Thank you so much! 15:51:25
@gitter_otahaineh_twitter:matrix.orgOmar Al Tahaineh (Gitter) @DarkMoonRising you are welcome. We are here to help, and nothing wrong with asking. Have a nice day 15:57:04
19 Jun 2020
@gitterbot:matrix.orgGitter Integration invited @gitter_roman.pidpletenyi_gitlab:matrix.orgRoman Pidpletenyi (Gitter).13:19:35
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@gitter_roman.pidpletenyi_gitlab:matrix.orgRoman Pidpletenyi (Gitter) Hello, I noticed that in many documents NVDA skips reading the character -.
For example: when you need to read -20. NVDA reads 20. And it should read as minus 20.
What can you advise?
How can I fix this tag creation time?
Thank.
13:19:37
@gitter_roman.pidpletenyi_gitlab:matrix.orgRoman Pidpletenyi (Gitter) (edited) ... character -. For ... => ... character " - ". For ... 13:20:54
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@gitter_ptoledo-teaching:matrix.org@gitter_ptoledo-teaching:matrix.org Hi,
I do not know if I am writing on the right place, but I am developing a Single Page Application site and I would like to follow good practices so NVDA can process my site in a good way. I am worried that all the buttons and different options might be difficult to use through a screen reader. Is there a set of guidelines that I could follow so the users can have a good experience using the site using NVDA?
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@gitterbot:matrix.orgGitter Integration invited @gitter_ptoledo:matrix.orgPedro F. Toledo (Gitter).16:59:05
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@gitter_ptoledo:matrix.orgPedro F. Toledo (Gitter) Hi,
I do not know if I am writing on the right place, but I am developing a Single Page Application site and I would like to follow good practices so NVDA can process my site in a good way. I am worried that all the buttons and different options might be difficult to use through a screen reader. Is there a set of guidelines that I could follow so the users can have a good experience using the site using NVDA?
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20 Jun 2020
@gitterbot:matrix.orgGitter Integration invited @gitter_phoenix1991-lab:matrix.orgPhoenix1991-lab (Gitter).03:50:39
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@gitter_phoenix1991-lab:matrix.orgPhoenix1991-lab (Gitter)llo, this is Phoenix. I am having issues with NVDa working with Project 64, a Nintendo 64 Emulator. I am trying to make cheats work, and I cannot seem to do so. According to NVDA, the cheats appear to be checked. When I press the spacebar, I hear half-checked, Upon pressing it again, I hear not checked. What do I need to do to get the cheats to work properly?03:50:39
23 Jun 2020
@gitterbot:matrix.orgGitter Integration invited @gitter_joeldodson:matrix.orgJoel Dodson (Gitter).00:18:57
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@gitter_joeldodson:matrix.orgJoel Dodson (Gitter) Hi @ptoledo have you tried using NVDA? It's easy to download and install from https://www.nvaccess.org. Once you have, you can get to the User Manual by pressing the nvdakey+n. Chapter 6 has details about how to navigate using keys with NVDA. Are you familiar with WCAG2.1, https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/, and ARIA, https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/aria/? I think this, https://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/Overview is a good place to start. I'm relatively new to accessibility myself so hopefully these are good starting laces. For developing SPAs, if you're using react, there's a component library, Grommet,https://v2.grommet.io, that's trying to make it easier to develop accessible web apps. hope all this helps, it's great you're thinking of accessibility up front. 00:19:05
@gitter_ptoledo:matrix.orgPedro F. Toledo (Gitter) changed their display name from gitter_ptoledo to Pedro F. Toledo (Gitter).04:23:30
@gitter_ptoledo:matrix.orgPedro F. Toledo (Gitter) Hi @joeldodson, thank you very much for your answer. I have not tried NVDA because I use everything on Ubuntu. I tried to use ORCA to get some very basic response for the site but I wasn't able to do much; afterwards, I though that, as I am not visually impaired, even if I use a screen reader I will end-up having a wrong idea about my application accessibility and that's why I went to look for specific guidelines that I could adopt as part of my development to ease the use of screen readers (independently of specific testing that I could do afterwards). By other side, I am developing the SPA with my own custom framework, but I'll have a look to the library you mention to analyze their approach. Thank you again for your pointers. 04:23:30
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) Hi @ptoledo, it sounds like your situation is similar to mine, so I'll share some stuff I've learned over the past 6 months. Definitely follow the advice of @joeldodson, go to WCAG and use NVDA. Also check out WebAim and I found this site extremely helpful to explain how screen readers actually work https://www.accessibility-developer-guide.com/. It's a bit wordy, but really informative. This quick ref is great: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/, and this quickref for NVDA from deque is really good, although 2 things they don't tell you, use control + s to toggle between voice, off, and beeps, and control + home will start you at the beginning of the page. That's important because NVDA tends to start where you left off even if you close the browser. I am fortunate that I work for an educational institution where I have access to a compliance officer who works closely with CNIB and also a fantastic Learning Support department with a blind/low vision division. The one thing they have all stressed is that all the accessibility checks in the world are useless if your site doesn't work with a screen reader! It was pointed out to me that the CNIB site itself does not pass an accessibility check, but it works great with a screen reader. Also just because code examples say they work with screen readers does NOT mean they do! I found 'accessible' flyout menus, had them working beautifully, only to find out they do not work with NVDA. Last but not least, you've joined the right chat, a lot of knowledgeable and kind peeps here, and so quick to respond! Hope that helps :) 12:55:26
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) (edited) ... really good, although ... => ... really good https://dequeuniversity.com/assets/pdf/screenreaders/nvda-guide.pdf, although ... 12:57:01
@gitter_darkmoonrising:matrix.orgDarkMoonRising (Gitter) (edited) ... use control + ... => ... use (NVDA key, mine is insert) insert + ... 13:00:03
24 Jun 2020
@gitter_joeldodson:matrix.orgJoel Dodson (Gitter) Hi @DarkMoonRising, thanks for those links, they sound good. Regarding Deque University, did you know they're offering a year of free access to all their classes for people with disabilities? I'll make a new post with details. 05:35:26
@gitter_joeldodson:matrix.orgJoel Dodson (Gitter) Hi @ptoledo, I'd still encourage you to try your app on Windows with NVDA. NVDA now has the ability to have a visual indicator to follow around on the screen so a sighted person can know where the screen reader is focused. It could help you ensure tab key navigation works as you expect and all your components are labeled appropriately. Also, I came from a linux background but switched to Windows when I lost my sight. When I learned about the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), I was thrilled. Windows 2004 (which is shorthand for the 2020 04 release) introduced WSL2. I develop now using a real Ubuntu bash shell and VS Code with the WSL plugin. I can do all the stuff on Ubuntu I did before and use NVDA. It's a pretty nice setup. 05:42:55
@gitter_joeldodson:matrix.orgJoel Dodson (Gitter) Hi all, I'm somewhat new to accessibility so maybe most people here already know about this. If not, it seems like a pretty cool opportunity. Deque University is offering all their online courses free to people with disabilities. Here's the link to apply: https://dequeuniversity.com/scholarships/apply I filled out the form one evening and the next day I was approved. I didn't have to upload any proof but I did mention some thingslike an association with Lighthouse for the blind in SF and that I have a bookshare.org account, maybe they checked those references. I haven't been through many of the courses so no comments on quality. I was told though Deque is one of the leaders in accessibility. 06:01:46

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