| 4 Oct 2022 |
 Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | Spent a couple of weeks researching how web3 storage networks work. And wrote a pretty lengthy technical comparison of Arweave and Filecoin. Very different networks but that made it more enlightening to compare them side by side. If anybody wants to read the fruits of my labor:
https://mirror.xyz/dayofniagra.eth/OOoXBQIb_sqPtK-t59veuSo06xDnBR-KLL2wxi7iGcs | 17:24:52 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | * Spent a couple of weeks researching how web3 storage networks work. And wrote a pretty lengthy technical comparison of Arweave and Filecoin. Very different networks, but that made it more enlightening to compare them side by side. If anybody wants to read the fruits of my labor:
https://mirror.xyz/dayofniagra.eth/OOoXBQIb_sqPtK-t59veuSo06xDnBR-KLL2wxi7iGcs | 17:31:02 |
|  Discord Bridge invited  Mr✨Sparkles#4125. | 17:48:39 |
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| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | Great article; thanks for sharing | 17:48:40 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | I'm still interested to understand how ACID-compliant transactions/queries will work on distributed file-systems at scale/speed. maybe the immutability of blockchain creates intrinsically atomic transactions that don't fail without outages, so the ACID-compliance is somewhat moot, but I haven't really heard a good explanation on this re: IPFS, storage on chain, or any other distributed data-storage solution | 17:50:44 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | * I'm still interested to understand how ACID-compliant transactions/queries will work on distributed file-systems at scale/speed. maybe the immutability of blockchain creates intrinsically atomic transactions that don't fail with outages, so the ACID-compliance is somewhat moot, but I haven't really heard a good explanation on this re: IPFS, storage on chain, or any other distributed data-storage solution | 17:51:32 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | * I'm still interested to understand how ACID-compliant transactions/queries will work on distributed file-systems at scale/speed. maybe the immutability of blockchain creates intrinsically atomic transactions that don't partially fail with outages, so the ACID-compliance is somewhat moot, but I haven't really heard a good explanation on this re: IPFS, storage on chain, or any other distributed data-storage solution | 17:51:42 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | * I'm still interested to understand how ACID-compliant transactions/queries will work on distributed data-storage-systems at scale/speed. maybe the immutability of blockchain creates intrinsically atomic transactions that don't partially fail with outages, so the ACID-compliance is somewhat moot, but I haven't really heard a good explanation on this re: IPFS, storage on chain, or any other distributed data-storage solution | 17:52:42 |
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| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | Honestly I do not know how any of the structured data protocols are implemented on top of ipfs/arweave. Simpler types like what Ceramic provides (and what I imagine most data types on top of IPFS are) act more like key value stores. So Atomicity is possible in the sense that you load all the data and then switch a pointer by setting a key. And the C, I and D do not apply. On the other hand IPFS is data addressed, so I am not even sure how to start implementing structures, haha. | 23:11:07 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | I mention the sql db on top arweave project (Kwil), now that one kinda boggles my mind. It must come with a tremendous set of limitations? I'd be really curious to take Ceramic and Kwil apart. | 23:12:29 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | Or maybe we as a society all just switch to key-value for ALL DATA PURPOSES MOVING FORWARD 🥲. Jkjk | 23:13:25 |
| Mr✨Sparkles#4125 | You should check out surrealDB | 23:15:24 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | Looking! ("NewSQL" - heh) | 23:23:00 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | That's interesting. Although the problem with any of these DB offerings that one must have a really good understanding of technical details to understand the offering. Like I wouldn't use anything that I don't understand the inner workings off quiet well. | 23:25:51 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | * That's interesting. Although the problem with any of these DB offerings that one must have a really good understanding of technical details to understand the offering. Like I wouldn't use anything that I don't understand the inner workings of quiet well. | 23:26:15 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | * That's interesting. Although the problem with any of these DB offerings is that one must have a really good understanding of technical details to understand the offering. Like I wouldn't use anything that I don't understand the inner workings of quiet well. | 23:35:39 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | And even then theory and reality are so different. I used mongo for years for small projects and then got to work on a project that (mis-)used it heavily and that turned me off of mongo forever. But it was supposed to work in theory. 🤷 | 23:37:16 |
| 5 Oct 2022 |
 Tectract#2729 | http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/ | 04:13:05 |
| Tectract#2729 | mongodb is evil | 04:13:09 |
| Tectract#2729 | http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2013/11/11/why-you-should-never-use-mongodb/ | 04:14:14 |
| Tectract#2729 | this article talks about how the Diaspora social media project tried and failed to use mongodb, early on, and why | 04:14:40 |
| Tectract#2729 | mongo is a pagestore, not an actual db. Using it as a db will eventually lead to data corruption | 04:15:05 |
 Aureus | Who all is going to the co-working space on Friday? I haven't been yet so would love to meet up with anyone going. | 17:23:17 |
 nukemandan | Planning on it.
#👪｜gatherings is the chat we usually use to coordinate on for this and other events | 17:26:04 |
| 6 Oct 2022 |
|  mpeyfuss changed their display name from mpeyfuss to mpeyfuss#5830. | 03:14:26 |
| mpeyfuss changed their display name from mpeyfuss#5830 to mpeyfuss. | 03:14:27 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | Acutally it's gotten pretty good at non-corrupting. Those articles are a little old. But, for example, I found that getting and deserializing (back into JSON) a bunch of documents from Postgres is about 10x faster than mongo. Something mongo should be good at in theory... I think? | 20:06:09 |
| Ivan P | People's Garage#3695 | I got offered a director of engineering job yesterday with a load of money on top. And I'm going to pass on it cause the place is poorly organized. Boy I hope I don't regret it later... | 20:07:51 |
