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27 Jul 2020
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@phret:matrix.org@phret:matrix.org
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> <@phret:matrix.org> well he clearly articulates gnostic and jewish thinking within philosophical language, which sounds quite like via negativa already. i'd have to look it up then the term theologia apophatike arose. so ... it say we see a beginning of that tradition in philo, maybe. hm. i am looking backwards, not sure if thats historically adaequate. what does the second question aim at? My second question regards whether Philo engages in theological argument based on reason alone or through divine dogma (or some combination of the two). Natural theology if I have it correctly is separate from revelation.
not in philo. there seems to be a 'synkretism' from different traditions leading to different and sometimes contradicting aproaches. when it comes to perceiving god philo is speaking of a possible positive perception, that good exists (physiko-theology) but not what god is (negative th.) which then leads to 'you shouldnt try it but you should' (in different places.) and the possibility of a positive perception of god through gods action 'revelation'
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@phret:matrix.org@phret:matrix.org@yellowcrane:matrix.org sooo yes he lacks this fascinating radicality we'd see later on. he seems to take 'god is unperceivable' as the positive outcome of a negativ perceiption. also he has no problem with the attribute 'exist' used for god what so ever.06:22:40
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@yellowcrane:matrix.org@yellowcrane:matrix.org
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not in philo. there seems to be a 'synkretism' from different traditions leading to different and sometimes contradicting aproaches. when it comes to perceiving god philo is speaking of a possible positive perception, that good exists (physiko-theology) but not what god is (negative th.) which then leads to 'you shouldnt try it but you should' (in different places.) and the possibility of a positive perception of god through gods action 'revelation'
Fascinating. "Being" then must be hard to discern if God "is". Sounds like there is no positive distinction of Divine Being, and the question of how commensurate is Man and Creation with God. Thank you for the replies and if there is anything else helpful.
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@yellowcrane:matrix.org@yellowcrane:matrix.org* Fascinating. "Being" then must be hard to discern if God "is". Sounds like there is no positive distinction of Divine Being, and the question of how commensurate is Man and Creation with God comes up for me. Thank you for the replies and if there is anything else helpful.12:45:36
@phret:matrix.org@phret:matrix.org

Fascinating. "Being" then must be hard to discern if God "is". Sounds like there is no positive distinction of Divine Being, and the question of how commensurate is Man and Creation with God comes up for me. Thank you for the replies and if there is anything else helpful.

you are welcome! Hans Jonas proposes (if i remember right! - don't have my notes at hand) to interprete this perceivability as being as 'hypostasis' (a bit anachronistically).

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@variegate:matrix.orgvariegate
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Hey, can I ask you about this
this isn't 1 particular story. like in the west with folk stories the stories of the Buddha are hugely varied in the different traditions, from highly rationalist buddhists to more instant-revelation Zen buddhists.
I think something that conveys this is the "what happens when you become enlightened" question. Some buddhists believe you transcend this world and live in the never ending land of giant (miles long) golden flying lotus'. Some believe the most enlightened thing would be to stay and help others, which lends itself to this more "Bodhisattva" tradition where the buddha isn't special, just another saint among the flux of the world. This latter tradition is found more in Mahayana buddhism, my personal favourite being Madhyamaka writers.
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29 Jul 2020
@yellowcrane:matrix.org@yellowcrane:matrix.org
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Fascinating. "Being" then must be hard to discern if God "is". Sounds like there is no positive distinction of Divine Being, and the question of how commensurate is Man and Creation with God comes up for me. Thank you for the replies and if there is anything else helpful.

you are welcome! Hans Jonas proposes (if i remember right! - don't have my notes at hand) to interprete this perceivability as being as 'hypostasis' (a bit anachronistically).

David Levy's book on Hans Jonas looks very interesting! I had not heard of Jonas before but I have read some of other former of students of Heidegger.
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@inphovore:matrix.org@inphovore:matrix.org

That all human language, culture, and thought stems from one event source?

I’m not sold on it. We tend to look back and see things as though they were a distant point, yet i find there are modulations, mixes, parallel stops and starts.

Do we all genetically spring from one distant grandparent? Maybe. Is our world of thought an eternal remix of one identity super source? Unlikely. When we get bored or fear mortality we innovate . And time has provided humanity with plenty of this encouragement

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@inphovore:matrix.org@inphovore:matrix.orgThough I just skimmed what I found and may be missing some other point.01:18:21
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@elegrant:matrix.org@elegrant:matrix.org

When we get bored or fear mortality we innovate . And time has provided humanity with plenty of this encouragement

Actually I think our fears of mortality have turned us petty, superstitious and hostile to creativity/innovation

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