| 25 Mar 2024 |
 justdave | I learned Perl by hacking on Bugzilla | 16:20:35 |
 ashimema | (whilst they also learn the plethora of JS options out there as well as PHP and Java) | 16:20:53 |
| justdave | I learned PHP by hacking on WordPress. | 16:21:14 |
| ashimema | familiar story | 16:21:28 |
 Danny Colin | Yep 😆 | 16:21:35 |
| justdave | Python I had to learn for work 20 years ago. | 16:21:45 |
| Danny Colin | and to be frank, moving to Python wouldn't give you a lot of perf advantage. | 16:22:22 |
| justdave | When I worked for Canonical and they decided that all of the system utilities in Ubuntu would be written in Python. | 16:22:38 |
| * Danny Colin is waiting for someone to say RIIR | 16:23:21 |
| ashimema | I tend to think the popularity of a language often doesn't entirely relate to any real world reason to pick it other than "everyone else is using this" | 16:23:41 |
 WeeskyBDW | In reply to @justdave:mozilla.org
When I worked for Canonical and they decided that all of the system utilities in Ubuntu would be written in Python. Cannonical like decision | 16:23:48 |
| WeeskyBDW | In reply to @justdave:mozilla.org
When I worked for Canonical and they decided that all of the system utilities in Ubuntu would be written in Python. * Canonical like decision | 16:24:12 |
| ashimema | performance, ease of writing etc.. popular guides popular.. there seem to be very few people able to actually say why language a is better than language b for purpose x | 16:24:19 |
| WeeskyBDW | * Canonical-like decision | 16:24:21 |
| ashimema | myself included.. I couldn't really tell you why I like perl or it should be used over php, python, rust, go, whatever for the project I'm working on. | 16:24:49 |
| justdave | I still get a kick out of the fact that I was Canonical's very first employee. Even though I only lasted 8 months there. I wasn't a good culture fit for the Debian crowd (which is where most of the rest of the people he brought in came from). | 16:25:08 |
| justdave | That and spending 2 weeks at a time out of every 2 months in London was wearing on my family. | 16:25:32 |
| ashimema | ouch | 16:26:33 |
| Danny Colin | In reply to @ashimema:matrix.org
myself included.. I couldn't really tell you why I like perl or it should be used over php, python, rust, go, whatever for the project I'm working on. I mean PHP/Python vs. Rust is a bit obvious. | 16:27:21 |
| justdave | I jumped ship from Canonical as soon as Mozilla said "hey, Google is paying us now, so we can afford to actually hire you" (I'd been working for them as a volunteer sysadmin on the side previously) | 16:27:22 |
| ashimema | haha.. indeed | 16:29:07 |
| ashimema | I was exaggerating a tad | 16:29:18 |
| 10 Apr 2024 |
 Conan Kudo | justdave: speaking of sysadmin things, we now have a fully working Mailman 3 stack in EPEL 9. It is what powers https://lists.centos.org :) | 13:38:30 |
| justdave | awesome | 15:33:38 |
| 16 Apr 2024 |
| justdave | I've created a Matrix Space for Bugzilla, which contains all of the project-related Matrix rooms: https://matrix.to/#/#bugzilla-community:mozilla.org | 19:00:03 |
| 17 Apr 2024 |
| ashimema | We're in the process of dropping Matrix and eventually IRC too I imagine in #koha. We've set up a Mattermost and it's getting much better adoption. I'm seeing more people active in chat than I've seen in years, which is awesome 😎 | 05:44:06 |
| justdave | yeah, we might eventually... 95% of our project discussion traffic has ended up on Discord. Including the end-user support. | 05:46:00 |
| justdave | And now that the chat bridges aren't working anymore, it's more difficult to track three different places to discuss stuff. | 05:46:28 |
| ashimema | It's hard, you want to please everyone and be inclusive. But there's just so many chat options these days and bridges are proving hard to maintain.. we have bridged our decades old IRC channel on oftc to the new Mattermost server however. But the hope is to attract people over from it eventually | 05:55:35 |
| ashimema | We have some very pro oss people in our community, so discord was voted against. | 05:57:47 |
