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Matrix Peer Regulators - ☞ ؟⸮UNOFFICIAL⸮؟ – Mod's Unite!

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Self Regulating Peer Review of Matrix Community Standards and Conduct - "Regulators". ° Mod's unite! ° We are Moderators. Expect us. ••• tl;dr: Info' shared between users & Mod's, where Mod's choose how to use such in their own rooms. No bullshit, no nonsense, it's NOT a General Chat. Discuss what you know First Hand, and do not weigh in "concerns" on what does not concern you. ••• Inspired by legendary events of the old American "Wild, Wild West". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_County_Regulators • Alternatively: Here be "Sherwood Forest". The good & noble "officially" crowned, or beknighted/knightly Dev's might be dispatched off to fight in the "Federation Crusades". And thusly, the ignoble FUD(D)ites try to play shire-reeve/shire o' the reeve/"Sheriff of Nottingham". All ye selectees who pass herein must be sussed out as venerable, august Admin's¦Mod's¦Custom-P.L.s, or otherwise noble "concerned netizens". ••• The following quote, about people "…who have received targeted harassment on Twitter have reported their accounts being suspended after their abusers co-ordinated to file multiple reports against them (a well documented tactic utilizing other platforms such as 4Chan to organize pile-ons) — whereas their one-report-per-abusive-tweet apparently fails to get the attention of Twitter’s algorithms." can happen on Matrix. But not if we band together! § See also→ Urban Dictionary: brigading - https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading ••• Someone made an interesting reference to this room, ala "213" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY 😏 ••• For those who are not a "Lost Cause"/"Basket Case" to learn (N)Etiquette and such included concepts, we have a more General Chat: "Etiquette: Don't crap in the punch bowl!" [Etiquette: Don't crap in the punch bowl!](https://matrix.to/#/!BZubBNMVmRChyqtSTc:matrix.org) ° https://matrix.to/#/!BZubBNMVmRChyqtSTc:matrix.org ° !BZubBNMVmRChyqtSTc:matrix.org ° that room is "World Readable" by anyone → https://view.matrix.org/room/!BZubBNMVmRChyqtSTc:matrix.org/ ••• For sharing this room: "Matrix Peer Regulators - ☞ ؟⸮UNOFFICIAL⸮؟ – Mod's Unite!" [Matrix Peer Regulators - ☞ ؟⸮UNOFFICIAL⸮؟ – Mod's Unite!](https://matrix.to/#/room/!tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st) ° https://matrix.to/#/room/!tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st ° !tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st ••• This room's history is "World Readable" by anyone. → https://view.matrix.org/room/!tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st/ ••• WAS Listed (R.I.P.): https://matrixstats.org/room/!tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st ••••36 Servers

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23 Sep 2020
@trilobite17:matrix.orgtrilobite17/topic tl;dr01:27:05
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

What's up there our fine unfeathered friend?

That reminds @me, that It's rather easy for those of us with the actual PL to change the /topic to null/blank it out when trying to read the thing, with just one unintentional trailing space: "/topic ".

02:17:35
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

What's up there our fine unfeathered friend?

That reminds @me, that It's rather easy for those of us with the actual PL to change the /topic to null/blank it out when trying to read the thing, with just one unintentional trailing space: "/topic ".

02:26:41
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

And that's another caveat in a "plumbed" room bridged to IRC, you have to i.e. !cmd DEOP yourself on the IRC side if the Matrix /topic you wold be setting is longer than the very restricted IRC topiclen(gth). {They have very tight nicklen(gth) restrictions and can't even spell out such words, including "chan"(nel) nor "Op"(erator), nor use uniquely distinct terms for a (chan')nel Op(erator) and an IRCOp(erator). *shrug*

I forgot to mention above that IMO the IRC Connection Tracker should just do as it's seems to be intended to do and i.e. just let the IRC side forget the presence of "too long" idle MXIDs, and not have scripting kick them from a "Plumbed" Matrix Room. A "Portal" room SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY than a "Plumbed" Room, whereas a "Portal" room should be subject to IRC completely. But a "Plumbed" room should be governed on the Matrix side unless power-sharing is given over to those over the bridge. Either the moderation power is shared, or the Mod's/Op's each govern their OWN side of the bridge and whether the still agree to link the room to the IRC chan'. But it should NEVER be that in a "Plumbed" room, anyone who happens to get Op' on the IRC side gets PL50 on the Matrix side, despite what any Matrix-side PL>50 might think, and a rogue Op' could wreak havoc that has vanquished room members not wanting to come back. Keep a copy of your Matrix-side /topic too, IIRC. 🤨😒

02:42:02
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO Markdown talics, especially bold italics, are a pain to edit. Maybe I'll start using HTML. 02:43:48
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOs/wold/would/02:43:55
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In reply to @MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.org

And that's another caveat in a "plumbed" room bridged to IRC, you have to i.e. !cmd DEOP yourself on the IRC side if the Matrix /topic you wold be setting is longer than the very restricted IRC topiclen(gth). {They have very tight nicklen(gth) restrictions and can't even spell out such words, including "chan"(nel) nor "Op"(erator), nor use uniquely distinct terms for a (chan')nel Op(erator) and an IRCOp(erator). *shrug*

I forgot to mention above that IMO the IRC Connection Tracker should just do as it's seems to be intended to do and i.e. just let the IRC side forget the presence of "too long" idle MXIDs, and not have scripting kick them from a "Plumbed" Matrix Room. A "Portal" room SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY than a "Plumbed" Room, whereas a "Portal" room should be subject to IRC completely. But a "Plumbed" room should be governed on the Matrix side unless power-sharing is given over to those over the bridge. Either the moderation power is shared, or the Mod's/Op's each govern their OWN side of the bridge and whether the still agree to link the room to the IRC chan'. But it should NEVER be that in a "Plumbed" room, anyone who happens to get Op' on the IRC side gets PL50 on the Matrix side, despite what any Matrix-side PL>50 might think, and a rogue Op' could wreak havoc that has vanquished room members not wanting to come back. Keep a copy of your Matrix-side /topic too, IIRC. 🤨😒

And that's another *caveat* in a "plumbed" room bridged to IRC, you have to i.e. `!cmd DEOP` yourself on the IRC side if the Matrix `/topic` you would be setting is longer than the very restricted IRC topiclen(gth). {They have very tight nicklen(gth) restrictions and can't even spell out such words, including "chan"(nel) nor "Op"(erator), nor use uniquely distinct terms for a (chan')nel Op(erator) and an IRCOp(erator). \**shrug*\* I forgot to mention above that IMO the IRC Connection Tracker should just do as it's seems to be intended to do and i.e. just let the IRC side forget the presence of "too long" idle MXIDs, and not have scripting kick them from a "Plumbed" Matrix Room. A "Portal" room **SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY** than a "Plumbed" Room, whereas a "Portal" room should be subject to IRC completely. But a "Plumbed" room should be governed on the Matrix side unless power-sharing is given over to those over the bridge. Either the moderation power is shared, or the Mod's/Op's each govern their **OWN** side of the bridge and whether the still agree to link the room to the IRC chan'. But it should **NEVER** be that in a "Plumbed" room, anyone who happens to get Op' on the IRC side gets PL50 on the Matrix side, despite what any Matrix-side PL>50 might think, and a rogue Op' could wreak havoc that has vanquished room members not wanting to come back. Keep a copy of your Matrix-side `/topic` too, IIRC. 🤨😒
02:43:56
@fantasycookie17:fantasycookie17.onederfultech.comFantasyCookie17Users trying out Matrix would have zero sessions? How come?05:02:07
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

No, quite the opposite, AFAIK, and just as i stated above. I try to avoid compound-complex sentences, because people are barely taught anything today, let alone such advanced literary logic. However re-reading it seems to parse just as I intended, but let's show the original, and try a couple edits and see if you then get it...:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that probably EXCEPT those having ZERO devices/sessions.

Edit 1:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that[,] probably EXCEPT those having ZERO devices/sessions.

Edit 2:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that['s] probably EXCEPT[ING] those having ZERO devices/sessions.

If I were an English Language major, I might have parsed with a bit more exacting distinction ala "except"/excepting/"except of"/"except from", or whatnot. But I've had a long day, and this is not the self-help room for English I maintain: " English Language Usage - Self Help" English Language Usage - Self Help ° https://matrix.to/#/!GcguZmTlzzyuCsTAcz:chat.weho.st ° !GcguZmTlzzyuCsTAcz:chat.weho.st
° But methinks I'd "make the grade" in being understood by an average professor, especially compared to the rather unfortunate state of affairs in "Modern EducaYSHUn".

05:53:07
@fantasycookie17:fantasycookie17.onederfultech.comFantasyCookie17Well, I don’t kick any where the sessions look fine. And I assume no real person would have a session with an empty name…07:52:09
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOchanged room power levels.13:39:54
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

Yeah, extrapolating/expanding what I typed above... No device/session seems odd, but I'll have to do another via cURL to see how it looks. IIRC I "borrowed"/copied an Access_Token from another, for my unilateral-Mod' script; don't know if creating using a dedicated one would actually not wipe out my unread-rooms. But I negated some of the auto-assigned names on my devices/sessions/logins, for privacy and replaced them with the auto-generated string, however some of those logins (sessions on a device) are now gone, yet some show the assigned (ID?) string in the name.

I just looked at "Thomas Lewis":

Tablet
Riot Desktop on Linux
Mobile
Mobile
https://chat.nobodyhasthe.biz/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
https://ordoevangelistarum.com/chat/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
FBSD
https://ordoevangelistarum.com/chat/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
Haiku
Haiku
Riot Desktop on Linux
Mobile
Mobile
Weechat Matrix
Mobile
Mobile
Tablet
Mobile

And the alot 'bot, which shows no sessions/devices/logins, as you mention and as I assumed.

Well, I think "nozzleb" @nozzleb:matrix.org nozzleb was sent into a bunch of the rooms I maintain to "monitor"/spy, by someone with whom I have "irreconcilable differences", maybe baffy/preternatural, but it does have several sessions/devices/logins. And it should be known that I among those I NEVER want in ANY room I maintain or moderate, half-shit; and yet AFTER I b&tzed Shim, Xe sent in "Emergency Half-Shot" @half-shot:fuckthe.dev Emergency Half-Shot, until I ACL Banned *.fuckthe.dev et cetera. (Yeah, a real "drama-emergency" to sockpuppet and go where you're UNWELCOME... *shrug*)

14:01:26
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO And, yet again, I REALLY wish that some things like changing PowerLevels had an endpoint instead of, AIUI, downloading the entire room Room State-m.room.power_levels to edit and re-upload. On clients where things are already clogged up, and where bandwidth is a problem, it could be a real buggering thing. This JSON for this room doesn't look all that bad, even. But consider the situation of what I deem a good moderation idea, MXIDs joining muted and granted unmute-ing; but with THOUSANDS of room members. UGGGGHHHH!!!. On a mobile, I'd need to trigger a script on some other device, to unmute people, or trigger the conceptual (Un)Mute 'Bot for which I have a GitHub issue. *shrug* 14:08:06
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxORedacted or Malformed Event20:01:25
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO F.C. I bumped up your PL in the Qubes OS room. 'Twas an oversight that you could not redact/remove. This, IIRC was due to guarding against any possible unforseen attack coming from IRC, NATIVELY, and NOT INCLUDING abuse of the appservice 'bot.

I'll try to further standardize the PLs in rooms I maintain after MANUALLY /upgradeing and eliminating such annoyances.

I'm glad you admonished the other new joiner about the annoying rapid-fire IRC-style multi-line. But try to "calibrate"/"dial-in" your reaction to room activity, as I imagine you realize after it seems the one /joiner APPEARED to be a 'bot. We do not want them reverting to being contrary to the NO Hello thing.
20:17:36
25 Sep 2020
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO banned @weareallcrazy:matrix.org@weareallcrazy:matrix.org (Anti-Moderation in a room with part of the topic is clearly visible which states ZERO TOLERANCE for Anti-Moderation.).14:39:02
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOIs there an endpoint to see if a MXID is a Dev'Op' on a Homeserver, e.g. privliges on there, i.e. @y0x3y:chat.panthermodern.net ?14:53:26
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO banned @null_one:matrix.org@null_one:matrix.org (This is not IRC wheras changing your nickname or Display Name does not circumvent Moderation. Creating Sockpuppets earns you a unilateral and perhaps multilateral ban. We are Moderators. Expect us.).14:59:34
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO banned @hesperoyucca:matrix.org@hesperoyucca:matrix.org (Go try to raise an insurrection in the rooms of others. The TOPIC of the particular room states ZERO toleration for anti-Moderation and to NOT invite into a Direct Chat Message without asking and this ESPECIALLY goes for not inviting Moderators. We are not babysitters and do not have to hold your special-snowflake hand in an individual hug-box. You expressed animosity towards our rooms and Moderation. So go someplace else with that toxic disruptive attitude and see if they give you a Participation Trophy. Here is your anti-Moderation Participation Trophy, a Unilateral Ban from a Moderator and recommendation for multilateral bans by other Moderators. Full stop. We are Moderators. Expect us.).16:32:30
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

From various online experiences and former forays into moderation; I remember seeing the angst of people wondering why they were swiftly banned from online things, without ANY explanation. Our last rude argumentative guest stated Shim only bans with a very vague "reason", quite possibly when having none whatsoever. It's probably much "easier", in the short term, to just anarcho-tyrannically redact/remove, ghost/shadowban, and vaguely ban draconionly ON WHIM, much like in the old Soviet Union, where people were secretly snatched up and thrown to ACTUALLY starve or ACTUALLY be worked to death in the harsh arctic conditions in the gulags; this, hoping it goes unnoticed by outsider who matters, with only the "privileged" not cowering in fear, perhaps like in "modern" North Korea or Venezuela.

But, again, decent "normie" netizens would rather know the room norm's such as what to expect, including that there should be no NSFW nor general bullshit, and that they shouldn't act like the exemplar of the G.I.F.T.. But you'll quickly suss out the incorrigible disruptive insurrectionist troublemakers when you actively (re)establish expected norm's in the room. And sooner or later they will cause trouble instead of leaving on their own.

17:33:09
@_neb_rssbot_=40_milk_manz_jour_daddy=3achat.weho.st:matrix.orgRSS Bot [@MilkManzJourDaddy:chat.weho.st]Redacted or Malformed Event20:33:35
26 Sep 2020
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

From various online experiences and former forays into moderation; I remember seeing the angst of people wondering why they were swiftly banned from online things, without ANY explanation. Our last rude argumentative guest stated Shim only bans with a very vague "reason", quite possibly when having none whatsoever. It's probably much "easier", in the short term, to just anarcho-tyrannically redact/remove, ghost/shadowban, and vaguely ban draconionly ON WHIM, much like in the old Soviet Union, where people were secretly snatched up and thrown to ACTUALLY starve or ACTUALLY be worked to death in the harsh arctic conditions in the gulags; this, hoping it goes unnoticed by outsider who matters, with only the "privileged" not cowering in fear, perhaps like in "modern" North Korea or Venezuela.

But, again, decent "normie" netizens would rather know the room norm's such as what to expect, including that there should be no NSFW nor general bullshit, and that they shouldn't act like the exemplar of the G.I.F.T.. But you'll quickly suss out the incorrigible disruptive insurrectionist troublemakers when you actively (re)establish expected norm's in the room. And sooner or later they will cause trouble instead of leaving on their own.

00:16:48
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
Message-event: https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

04:50:59
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

04:51:16
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
Message-event: https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

04:52:10
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO banned @jebread1:matrix.org@jebread1:matrix.org (Spam for what is probably a financial scam.).05:20:58
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO banned @punchinello:matrix.org@punchinello:matrix.org (invite-spam).09:38:27
27 Sep 2020
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW). As it was at the time, you could NOT RTFM when it did not exist. *shrug*

13:56:19
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW).

14:06:47
@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO *

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW). As it was at the time, you could NOT RTFM when it did not exist. *shrug*

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