What's up there our fine unfeathered friend?

That reminds @me, that It's rather easy for those of us with the actual PL to change the /topic to null/blank it out when trying to read the thing, with just one unintentional trailing space: "/topic ".

What's up there our fine unfeathered friend?

That reminds @me, that It's rather easy for those of us with the actual PL to change the /topic to null/blank it out when trying to read the thing, with just one unintentional trailing space: "/topic ".

And that's another caveat in a "plumbed" room bridged to IRC, you have to i.e. !cmd DEOP yourself on the IRC side if the Matrix /topic you wold be setting is longer than the very restricted IRC topiclen(gth). {They have very tight nicklen(gth) restrictions and can't even spell out such words, including "chan"(nel) nor "Op"(erator), nor use uniquely distinct terms for a (chan')nel Op(erator) and an IRCOp(erator). *shrug*

I forgot to mention above that IMO the IRC Connection Tracker should just do as it's seems to be intended to do and i.e. just let the IRC side forget the presence of "too long" idle MXIDs, and not have scripting kick them from a "Plumbed" Matrix Room. A "Portal" room SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY than a "Plumbed" Room, whereas a "Portal" room should be subject to IRC completely. But a "Plumbed" room should be governed on the Matrix side unless power-sharing is given over to those over the bridge. Either the moderation power is shared, or the Mod's/Op's each govern their OWN side of the bridge and whether the still agree to link the room to the IRC chan'. But it should NEVER be that in a "Plumbed" room, anyone who happens to get Op' on the IRC side gets PL50 on the Matrix side, despite what any Matrix-side PL>50 might think, and a rogue Op' could wreak havoc that has vanquished room members not wanting to come back. Keep a copy of your Matrix-side /topic too, IIRC. 🤨😒

In reply to @MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.org

And that's another caveat in a "plumbed" room bridged to IRC, you have to i.e. !cmd DEOP yourself on the IRC side if the Matrix /topic you wold be setting is longer than the very restricted IRC topiclen(gth). {They have very tight nicklen(gth) restrictions and can't even spell out such words, including "chan"(nel) nor "Op"(erator), nor use uniquely distinct terms for a (chan')nel Op(erator) and an IRCOp(erator). *shrug*

I forgot to mention above that IMO the IRC Connection Tracker should just do as it's seems to be intended to do and i.e. just let the IRC side forget the presence of "too long" idle MXIDs, and not have scripting kick them from a "Plumbed" Matrix Room. A "Portal" room SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY than a "Plumbed" Room, whereas a "Portal" room should be subject to IRC completely. But a "Plumbed" room should be governed on the Matrix side unless power-sharing is given over to those over the bridge. Either the moderation power is shared, or the Mod's/Op's each govern their OWN side of the bridge and whether the still agree to link the room to the IRC chan'. But it should NEVER be that in a "Plumbed" room, anyone who happens to get Op' on the IRC side gets PL50 on the Matrix side, despite what any Matrix-side PL>50 might think, and a rogue Op' could wreak havoc that has vanquished room members not wanting to come back. Keep a copy of your Matrix-side /topic too, IIRC. 🤨😒

No, quite the opposite, AFAIK, and just as i stated above. I try to avoid compound-complex sentences, because people are barely taught anything today, let alone such advanced literary logic. However re-reading it seems to parse just as I intended, but let's show the original, and try a couple edits and see if you then get it...:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that probably EXCEPT those having ZERO devices/sessions.

Edit 1:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that[,] probably EXCEPT those having ZERO devices/sessions.

Edit 2:

Unfortunately your criteria MAY also fit many casual on-boarded users of Matrix who just try it out, or only look periodically; that['s] probably EXCEPT[ING] those having ZERO devices/sessions.

If I were an English Language major, I might have parsed with a bit more exacting distinction ala "except"/excepting/"except of"/"except from", or whatnot. But I've had a long day, and this is not the self-help room for English I maintain: " English Language Usage - Self Help" English Language Usage - Self Help ° https://matrix.to/#/!GcguZmTlzzyuCsTAcz:chat.weho.st ° !GcguZmTlzzyuCsTAcz:chat.weho.st
° But methinks I'd "make the grade" in being understood by an average professor, especially compared to the rather unfortunate state of affairs in "Modern EducaYSHUn".

Yeah, extrapolating/expanding what I typed above... No device/session seems odd, but I'll have to do another via cURL to see how it looks. IIRC I "borrowed"/copied an Access_Token from another, for my unilateral-Mod' script; don't know if creating using a dedicated one would actually not wipe out my unread-rooms. But I negated some of the auto-assigned names on my devices/sessions/logins, for privacy and replaced them with the auto-generated string, however some of those logins (sessions on a device) are now gone, yet some show the assigned (ID?) string in the name.

I just looked at "Thomas Lewis":

Tablet
Riot Desktop on Linux
Mobile
Mobile
https://chat.nobodyhasthe.biz/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
https://ordoevangelistarum.com/chat/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
FBSD
https://ordoevangelistarum.com/chat/ via Firefox on FreeBSD
Haiku
Haiku
Riot Desktop on Linux
Mobile
Mobile
Weechat Matrix
Mobile
Mobile
Tablet
Mobile

And the alot 'bot, which shows no sessions/devices/logins, as you mention and as I assumed.

Well, I think "nozzleb" @nozzleb:matrix.org nozzleb was sent into a bunch of the rooms I maintain to "monitor"/spy, by someone with whom I have "irreconcilable differences", maybe baffy/preternatural, but it does have several sessions/devices/logins. And it should be known that I among those I NEVER want in ANY room I maintain or moderate, half-shit; and yet AFTER I b&tzed Shim, Xe sent in "Emergency Half-Shot" @half-shot:fuckthe.dev Emergency Half-Shot, until I ACL Banned *.fuckthe.dev et cetera. (Yeah, a real "drama-emergency" to sockpuppet and go where you're UNWELCOME... *shrug*)

From various online experiences and former forays into moderation; I remember seeing the angst of people wondering why they were swiftly banned from online things, without ANY explanation. Our last rude argumentative guest stated Shim only bans with a very vague "reason", quite possibly when having none whatsoever. It's probably much "easier", in the short term, to just anarcho-tyrannically redact/remove, ghost/shadowban, and vaguely ban draconionly ON WHIM, much like in the old Soviet Union, where people were secretly snatched up and thrown to ACTUALLY starve or ACTUALLY be worked to death in the harsh arctic conditions in the gulags; this, hoping it goes unnoticed by outsider who matters, with only the "privileged" not cowering in fear, perhaps like in "modern" North Korea or Venezuela.

But, again, decent "normie" netizens would rather know the room norm's such as what to expect, including that there should be no NSFW nor general bullshit, and that they shouldn't act like the exemplar of the G.I.F.T.. But you'll quickly suss out the incorrigible disruptive insurrectionist troublemakers when you actively (re)establish expected norm's in the room. And sooner or later they will cause trouble instead of leaving on their own.

From various online experiences and former forays into moderation; I remember seeing the angst of people wondering why they were swiftly banned from online things, without ANY explanation. Our last rude argumentative guest stated Shim only bans with a very vague "reason", quite possibly when having none whatsoever. It's probably much "easier", in the short term, to just anarcho-tyrannically redact/remove, ghost/shadowban, and vaguely ban draconionly ON WHIM, much like in the old Soviet Union, where people were secretly snatched up and thrown to ACTUALLY starve or ACTUALLY be worked to death in the harsh arctic conditions in the gulags; this, hoping it goes unnoticed by outsider who matters, with only the "privileged" not cowering in fear, perhaps like in "modern" North Korea or Venezuela.

But, again, decent "normie" netizens would rather know the room norm's such as what to expect, including that there should be no NSFW nor general bullshit, and that they shouldn't act like the exemplar of the G.I.F.T.. But you'll quickly suss out the incorrigible disruptive insurrectionist troublemakers when you actively (re)establish expected norm's in the room. And sooner or later they will cause trouble instead of leaving on their own.

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
Message-event: https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

@jebread1:matrix.org wrote:

👤message me for CPNS. 👤
Use them to build credit, get phones, bank accounts and apply for loans etc... I also have vouchers. Message me for details or any questions. Serious inquires only✅
Message-event: https://matrix.to/#/!gZOwdCipsWIwdSTogA:hackerspaces.be/$1t/Uvwhj5Iy0MInI2CzLnZ8yNMkq0gjN35nbd4Ckakc?via=matrix.org

Also I see "punchinello" @punchinello:matrix.org punchinello is in our CyberSecurity room where the above spam happened, and sent me a Direct Chat Message /invite withOUT asking in the public room (no ACL Whisper exists yet, AFAIK). It's in the room /topic to not do that.

So they've both earned a unilateral /ban. I don't see their MXIDs as having left the room, so I assume they've yet to earn a deactivation.

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW). As it was at the time, you could NOT RTFM when it did not exist. *shrug*

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW).

IIRC it used to be that in Riot-Web if a MXID was /kicked, the user would still see the room history for which they were present, INCLUDING the reason the Mod' gave for /kicking them. And from the days of IRC, a user would have their logs within which, IIRC, they would see any /kick or /ban reason. Of course the "reference" Matrix Client maintained by E.M.S. is now Element[™️], which goes along with their FOR-PROFIT Homeserver-SaaS; and AFAIK those /kicked or /banned NO LONGER EVEN SEE THE GIVEN REASON, which is not good for moderation where the people CAPABLE of self-correction, might actually do so.

Edit: AcKSHully perhaps in the room of which I was thinking, no reason was given. However it seems inconsistent that I see room-history in SOME rooms in my "historical" list, and not others, despite varying chronological time of "departure", but PERHAPS it's related to the room history visibility setting, IDK. PERHAPS doc's have improved from the time when I felt the need to start writing my own on GitHub (which I've not maintained, FWIW). As it was at the time, you could NOT RTFM when it did not exist. *shrug*