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Self Regulating Peer Review of Matrix Community Standards and Conduct - "Regulators" ••• tl;dr: Info' shared between users & Mod's, where Mod's choose how to use such in their own rooms. No bullshit, no nonsense, it's NOT a General Chat. Discuss what you know First Hand, and do not weigh in "concerns" on what does not concern you. ••• Inspired by legendary events of the old American "Wild, Wild West". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_County_Regulators • Alternatively: Here be "Sherwood Forest". The good & noble "officially" crowned, or beknighted/knightly Dev's might be dispatched off to fight in the "Federation Crusades". And thusly, the ignoble FUD(D)ites try to play shire-reeve/shire o' the reeve/"Sheriff of Nottingham". All ye selectees who pass herein must be sussed out as venerable, august Admin's¦Mod's¦Custom-P.L.s, or otherwise noble "concerned netizens". ••• The following quote, about people "…who have received targeted harassment on Twitter have reported their accounts being suspended after their abusers co-ordinated to file multiple reports against them (a well documented tactic utilizing other platforms such as 4Chan to organize pile-ons) — whereas their one-report-per-abusive-tweet apparently fails to get the attention of Twitter’s algorithms." can happen on Matrix. But not if we band together! ••• Room History is "World Readable" by anyone. → https://view.matrix.org/alias/%23Regulators:matrix.org ••• Listed on: https://matrixstats.org/room/!tPaEUwcgnyarDWNhXu:chat.weho.st ••• For sharing: #Regulators:matrix.org ° https://riot.im/app/#/room/#Regulators:matrix.org ° https://matrix.to/#/#Regulators:matrix.org ° [#Regulators:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/#Regulators:matrix.org) ••• Someone made an interesting reference to this room, ala "213" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY 😏 ••••36 Servers

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10 Jan 2020
23:43:04@sheogorath:shivering-isles.comSheogorathWell, when we only let people who understand encryption use encryption, our bank transaction would be a lot more dangerous than ever before…
23:44:23@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxORedacted or Malformed Event
23:44:03@sheogorath:shivering-isles.comSheogorathThere is nothing wrong to ask to enable encryption. It might not be the right choice, as you just pointed out, but as someone askes, it makes sense to bring this up to them and I guess things sound sane to everyone.
23:44:54@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOCute, but the room is on view.matrix.org , assuming the site is up.
23:45:12@sheogorath:shivering-isles.comSheogorathNot everyone checks that before asking such questions
23:45:34@fantasycookie17:matrix.orgFantasyCookie17 I just didn’t know this rooms history was public. I knew it was pointless for public rooms.
23:49:54@sheogorath:shivering-isles.comSheogorathLet's just try to contructive and forgiving instead of calling people out for being unaware of minor things :)
23:53:33@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

Yeah, invite-only is a temporary measure, but that is not really a good distinction between what is a "public" and truly "private" room with a vetted group of individuals in a closed group or members-only group; et cetera. Basically it's like GPG/PGP for E2EE on the mailto: protocol ("e-mail") where TLS might be stripped in transit or the provider is datamining what it may read on it's servers because TLS is only for transit/transport.

And Crunk' is not wrong, just not tactful.

23:56:26@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

I shouldn't be the source of E2EE clarification when people see "UNencrypted" in their client's text-box input area and have a panic attack.

And anyway, this room is about moderation and good netizenship. But maybe I need to yet again lengthen the topic.

23:56:38@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO😒
11 Jan 2020
00:09:18@sheogorath:shivering-isles.comSheogorathI think it's a good thing when people have concerns when something is telling them that it's unencrypted. The main disadvantage of encryption in a public room is the trust part. There are many ways to solve this problem and encryption wouldn't hurt, when the trust problem would be solved. Of course it also wouldn't make things easier or be overly useful, but encrypting everything is always the better option compared to "opt-in encryption" even for public room. But as I said, only when the UX problem of trust is solved, which in case of Riot is definitely not the case. And in the perspective of E2EE breaking clients, crunk is wrong. Matrix is speced with E2EE in place. Not perfect for sure, but it's in the spec, that means not the message breaks the client, but the client is buggy as it doesn't implement the spec properly (with all problems the specs have, yes, I know they are not perfect, but if you ever worked with IRC RFCs you know that there is also a lot of knowledge between the lines and people basically got inspired by the original implementation and started to freestyle… See color support…)
00:55:23@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

I meant that crunklord420 was not wrong about i.e. N.V. As far as being tactful, AIUI denizens of his area can be a bit blunt, but it's refreshing after all the P.C. BULLSHIT.

And to that, some in this ecosystem are either polite or not affronting, yet rate-limit (or whatever) your MXID off their Homeserver. Poor fractal had it happen to a couple MXIDs, and he's one of the most non-confrontational people on here to have tried to further this thing. Probably sone ass-clown like "q" got envious and decided to spread a campaign of misinformation against such people,including against @me. And I have to wonder if "/dev/ponies/" with the ponies.im MXID is not just another "q" sockpuppet.

00:55:39@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

But I'd rather someone tell me someone else made a claim that I was doing something unacceptable with a MXID, rather than suddenly finding it inaccessible, or deactivated as with hackerspaces.be . It's tough to run a public room when some Anti-Moderation ass-clown effects a campaign to get your Admin' MXID deactivated. And AFAIK New Vector can't really run all the rooms and is not 100% like Discord™, despite trying.

But probably thE worst I've seen was a Homeserver Dev'Op' commandeering a MXID, DESPITE the availability of other Homeserver level Mod' tools, this to hijack Federated rooms with which they had philosophical differences. The Admin' of that catalog of rooms is in here, but has thusfar declined to comment. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But such a Homeserver Dev'Op' of a purportedly Public Homeserver not only has destroyed their supposed venerable trust, failed to understand they could have barred MXIDs originating of their Homeserver from being in those rooms, but also failed to comprehend the global Decentralized-Federated nature of this thing. Understand the overall concept of how it works before meddling.

But what Hubzilla has, with Zot(6), e.g. Cloning & Nomadic Identity, seems like a good concept if public-private keypairs could keep malicious Homeseever Dev'Op's from hijacking MXIDs & rooms.

01:11:03@ssorbom:matrix.orgssorbom But what does new Vector have to do with any of that? Other than that they refuse to ban bad sysadmins, from your description of the situation? I really am curious to know what new Vector itself has to do with any of this at all. As you yourself note, it is a Federated ecosystem. They don't control the behavior of anyone outside of their development team. And I know you're probably going to Flame me again, but I wish to State for the record that I am not " concern trolling”
01:27:23@ssorbom:matrix.orgssorbom What always concerns me about talk like this is that it's a contributing factor to developer burnout.
01:36:30@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

"Concern Trolling"? Why, are you also 'cookie & 'darkstar, in relation to what they wrote just above?

I don't 'ply that term to someone who is otherwise seemingly a good netizen, but with whom I simply disagree. No, that is for someone whose behaviour seems crafted at undermining a room or online community; and although it might not have been the intention, setting E2EE in a public room would have been most unhelpful. The Guardian Project room had such happen, and they realized such, too late. It was "not great", to say the least, for the IRC bridging. But ya' know, "shiny new thing" syndrome, coupled with a tempting button to stomp.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01:41:55@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO And unaffiliated Dev' "churn" has been a thing, no thanks to @me. The broader community has had such churn¦turnover when people are immediately beset and beleagured in +matrix:matrix.org rooms, e.g. #matrix:matrix.org by ones like q:glowers.club and their "Army of @Me" crybully sockpuppet Concern Troll Army that dog-pile¦pile-on attacks new joiners, ESPECIALLY after NV E.U. office hours, or does the crybully complaint thing to NV White Knights. You've read this room's topic. Right ssorbom ?
01:44:54@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO And deFederating with a shitty Homeserver is a possibility, but it's better to leave the roo' level as "soverign" or whatnot, with the room Admin's`¦Mod's deciding to ACL Ban Homeservers that refuse to moderate upon a shit-ton of room-raiding sockpuppets.
01:46:24@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO But preventing a malicious public Homeserver Dev'Op' from hijacking a MXID IS in NV's perview and in all of our best interest, theirs included.
01:48:48@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxORedacted or Malformed Event
01:49:28@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOs/ q:glowers.club / @q:glowers.club /
01:53:39@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO invited @sed:t2bot.iosed(1).
01:54:06@ssorbom:matrix.orgssorbom Yes I have. It was in reference to the last time I brought up the subject in which you told me to go concern troll somewhere else. Maybe you were just especially angry that day, I don't know. And no, this is my only matrix.org account that I use publicly. I have a few others for testing purposes, but I don't use them in public rooms.
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And unaffiliated Dev' "churn" has been a thing, no thanks to @me. The broader community has had such churn¦turnover when people are immediately beset and beleagured in +matrix:matrix.org rooms, e.g. #matrix:matrix.org by ones like q:glowers.club and their "Army of @Me" crybully sockpuppet Concern Troll Army that dog-pile¦pile-on attacks new joiners, ESPECIALLY after NV E.U. office hours, or does the crybully complaint thing to NV White Knights. You've read this room's topic. Right ssorbom ?
And unaffiliated Dev' "churn" has been a thing, no thanks to @me. The broader community has had such churn¦turnover when people are immediately beset and beleagured in +matrix:matrix.org rooms, e.g. #matrix:matrix.org by ones like @q:glowers.club and their "Army of @Me" crybully sockpuppet Concern Troll Army that dog-pile¦pile-on attacks new joiners, ***ESPECIALLY*** after NV E.U. office hours, or does the crybully complaint thing to NV White Knights. You've read this room's topic. Right ssorbom ?
02:42:58@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO

Yeah I searched up in the scrollback. Othsrs seemed to be critical of how I moderate, yet endorse the Mod' style of some who might be described as P.C. S.J.W. N.P.C.s.

Go re-read the whole exchange OBJECTIVELY. Many have goid reason to be pissed with some "flippant", capricious and arbitrary decisions undertaken by NV, and the behaviour of some of their interns and even some employees, whether or not white-8
knighting for sockpuppeting crybullies like @q:glowers.city . If you shilled for NV without the EMPATHY of having the same experience of some of us, or the SYMPATHY of FULLY understanding our experience, then yes, you "spoke out of turn" whilst white-knighting/shilling for the provocateurs amongst NV and you pissed off this ACTUAL recepient of their underhanded, undermining, malevolent, malignant maligning.

03:03:53@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxO I mean, after the "Alias Wars" or whatever, when M2F trans-dresser, complete with a "Lady Penis", thekyriarchy¦KXRA¦et alia, was racing to gobble up any and all Aliases, with NO consequences, and some of us tried to grab a bunch that seemed applicable, WE suffered crybully abuse. In this very room, ssorbom , "the flippant one" seemed to not be inclined to forcibly remove Aliases. This was when the F-Droid people seemed to no longer scoff Matrix and seemed envious of the community *I* built, yet I released an Alias for their use. But afterwards primary¦main¦Canonical Aliases wete stripped from my rooms and the users redirected to an Alias Holding room, and punitively in my rooms I canNOT work with Aliases, not even to remove the insult Aliases that room-rading trolls like @q:glowers.club via sockpuppets added. You don't even know the half of this shit that ROYALLY PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF, DESPITE IT BEING CHRONICLED IN THE SCROLLBACK OF THIS VERY ROOM!!!
03:09:05@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMMJD-MxOs/wete/were/
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I mean, after the "Alias Wars" or whatever, when M2F trans-dresser, complete with a "Lady Penis", thekyriarchy¦KXRA¦et alia, was racing to gobble up any and all Aliases, with NO consequences, and some of us tried to grab a bunch that seemed applicable, WE suffered crybully abuse. In this very room, ssorbom , "the flippant one" seemed to not be inclined to forcibly remove Aliases. This was when the F-Droid people seemed to no longer scoff Matrix and seemed envious of the community *I* built, yet I released an Alias for their use. But afterwards primary¦main¦Canonical Aliases wete stripped from my rooms and the users redirected to an Alias Holding room, and punitively in my rooms I canNOT work with Aliases, not even to remove the insult Aliases that room-rading trolls like @q:glowers.club via sockpuppets added. You don't even know the half of this shit that ROYALLY PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF, DESPITE IT BEING CHRONICLED IN THE SCROLLBACK OF THIS VERY ROOM!!!
I mean, after the "Alias Wars" or whatever, when M2F trans-dresser, complete with a "*Lady Penis*", thekyriarchy¦KXRA¦et alia, was racing to gobble up any and all Aliases, **with NO consequences**, and some of us tried to grab a bunch that seemed applicable, **WE** suffered crybully abuse. In this very room, ssorbom , "*the flippant one*" seemed to not be inclined to forcibly remove Aliases. This was when the F-Droid people seemed to no longer scoff Matrix and seemed envious of the community __\*I\*__ built, yet I released an Alias for their use. But afterwards primary¦main¦Canonical Aliases were stripped from my rooms and the users redirected to an Alias Holding room, and punitively in my rooms I can**NOT** work with Aliases, not even to remove the insult Aliases that room-rading trolls like @q:glowers.club via sockpuppets added. You don't even know the half of this shit that **ROYALLY PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF, DESPITE IT BEING CHRONICLED IN THE SCROLLBACK OF THIS VERY ROOM!!!**
17 Jan 2020
20:20:19@_neb_rssbot_=40_milk_manz_jour_daddy=3achat.weho.st:matrix.orgRSS Bot [@MilkManzJourDaddy:chat.weho.st]Redacted or Malformed Event

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