Yeah, invite-only is a temporary measure, but that is not really a good distinction between what is a "public" and truly "private" room with a vetted group of individuals in a closed group or members-only group; et cetera. Basically it's like GPG/PGP for E2EE on the mailto: protocol ("e-mail") where TLS might be stripped in transit or the provider is datamining what it may read on it's servers because TLS is only for transit/transport.

And Crunk' is not wrong, just not tactful.

I shouldn't be the source of E2EE clarification when people see "UNencrypted" in their client's text-box input area and have a panic attack.

And anyway, this room is about moderation and good netizenship. But maybe I need to yet again lengthen the topic.

I meant that crunklord420 was not wrong about i.e. N.V. As far as being tactful, AIUI denizens of his area can be a bit blunt, but it's refreshing after all the P.C. BULLSHIT.

And to that, some in this ecosystem are either polite or not affronting, yet rate-limit (or whatever) your MXID off their Homeserver. Poor fractal had it happen to a couple MXIDs, and he's one of the most non-confrontational people on here to have tried to further this thing. Probably sone ass-clown like "q" got envious and decided to spread a campaign of misinformation against such people,including against @me. And I have to wonder if "/dev/ponies/" with the ponies.im MXID is not just another "q" sockpuppet.

But I'd rather someone tell me someone else made a claim that I was doing something unacceptable with a MXID, rather than suddenly finding it inaccessible, or deactivated as with hackerspaces.be . It's tough to run a public room when some Anti-Moderation ass-clown effects a campaign to get your Admin' MXID deactivated. And AFAIK New Vector can't really run all the rooms and is not 100% like Discord™, despite trying.

But probably thE worst I've seen was a Homeserver Dev'Op' commandeering a MXID, DESPITE the availability of other Homeserver level Mod' tools, this to hijack Federated rooms with which they had philosophical differences. The Admin' of that catalog of rooms is in here, but has thusfar declined to comment. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But such a Homeserver Dev'Op' of a purportedly Public Homeserver not only has destroyed their supposed venerable trust, failed to understand they could have barred MXIDs originating of their Homeserver from being in those rooms, but also failed to comprehend the global Decentralized-Federated nature of this thing. Understand the overall concept of how it works before meddling.

But what Hubzilla has, with Zot(6), e.g. Cloning & Nomadic Identity, seems like a good concept if public-private keypairs could keep malicious Homeseever Dev'Op's from hijacking MXIDs & rooms.

"Concern Trolling"? Why, are you also 'cookie & 'darkstar, in relation to what they wrote just above?

I don't 'ply that term to someone who is otherwise seemingly a good netizen, but with whom I simply disagree. No, that is for someone whose behaviour seems crafted at undermining a room or online community; and although it might not have been the intention, setting E2EE in a public room would have been most unhelpful. The Guardian Project room had such happen, and they realized such, too late. It was "not great", to say the least, for the IRC bridging. But ya' know, "shiny new thing" syndrome, coupled with a tempting button to stomp.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In reply to @MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.org
And unaffiliated Dev' "churn" has been a thing, no thanks to @me. The broader community has had such churn¦turnover when people are immediately beset and beleagured in +matrix:matrix.org rooms, e.g. #matrix:matrix.org by ones like q:glowers.club and their "Army of @Me" crybully sockpuppet Concern Troll Army that dog-pile¦pile-on attacks new joiners, ESPECIALLY after NV E.U. office hours, or does the crybully complaint thing to NV White Knights. You've read this room's topic. Right ssorbom ?

Yeah I searched up in the scrollback. Othsrs seemed to be critical of how I moderate, yet endorse the Mod' style of some who might be described as P.C. S.J.W. N.P.C.s.

Go re-read the whole exchange OBJECTIVELY. Many have goid reason to be pissed with some "flippant", capricious and arbitrary decisions undertaken by NV, and the behaviour of some of their interns and even some employees, whether or not white-8
knighting for sockpuppeting crybullies like @q:glowers.city . If you shilled for NV without the EMPATHY of having the same experience of some of us, or the SYMPATHY of FULLY understanding our experience, then yes, you "spoke out of turn" whilst white-knighting/shilling for the provocateurs amongst NV and you pissed off this ACTUAL recepient of their underhanded, undermining, malevolent, malignant maligning.

In reply to @MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.org
I mean, after the "Alias Wars" or whatever, when M2F trans-dresser, complete with a "Lady Penis", thekyriarchy¦KXRA¦et alia, was racing to gobble up any and all Aliases, with NO consequences, and some of us tried to grab a bunch that seemed applicable, WE suffered crybully abuse. In this very room, ssorbom , "the flippant one" seemed to not be inclined to forcibly remove Aliases. This was when the F-Droid people seemed to no longer scoff Matrix and seemed envious of the community *I* built, yet I released an Alias for their use. But afterwards primary¦main¦Canonical Aliases wete stripped from my rooms and the users redirected to an Alias Holding room, and punitively in my rooms I canNOT work with Aliases, not even to remove the insult Aliases that room-rading trolls like @q:glowers.club via sockpuppets added. You don't even know the half of this shit that ROYALLY PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF, DESPITE IT BEING CHRONICLED IN THE SCROLLBACK OF THIS VERY ROOM!!!