| 8 Mar 2021 |
 Molly M. | In reply to @imbus:matrix.org
What i meant was: by concentrating outcasts who "wrongthink" in corners of the internet (which seems to be something commonly seen as good), we effectively amplify them, and as i said, this will (and have, in my opinion) resulted in terrorism, death and destruction. i think the issue i see here is how you are amplifying wrongthink by effectively decreasing its scope of visibility? i would argue allowing fascists to permeate public spaces creates more fascists and therefore more terrorism, which is what we are trying to combat | 18:28:59 |
 Imbus | I believe rich diversity of opinion has, for lack of a better word, a "self-correcting" effect. It would take significant evidence to change my mind on this, since (imo) the polarizing development we see in these environments very strongly supports my perspective. | 18:33:51 |
| Imbus | In general, i think its healthy to treat political opponents like they were family. | 18:35:39 |
| Imbus | You would not lock your crazy uncle in the basement for saying something controversial. You would tell him hes an idiot and move on, or something along those lines. | 18:36:56 |
 elmussol | In reply to @imbus:matrix.org
How well does hubzilla integrate with mastodon? Well. It speaks ActivityPub. | 18:57:19 |
| elmussol | In reply to @imbus:matrix.org
Or the fediverse in general, i guess? Well. It speaks ActivityPub, Diaspora, Friendica, GNUSocial, pump.io, Libertree, RSS/Atom. | 18:58:34 |
 bkilm | Yes, my observation is similar - Mastodon is for normies, while better alternatives (like #friendica-en:grin.hu or Hubzilla) are used by geniuses mostly. | 18:59:38 |
| elmussol | In reply to @bkil:matrix.org
Yes, my observation is similar - Mastodon is for normies, while better alternatives are used by geniuses mostly. If your target audience is the Twitterati you need to be careful what you wish for. | 19:05:13 |
| elmussol | But as a hubmin I prefer to let my members make their own decisions about who they interact with. As long as they don't put me in difficult legal position, I am OK with that. | 19:09:04 |
| elmussol | On a personal level I'm an anarchist communist so my attitude to fascists may be deduced from that. | 19:10:35 |
| Molly M. | In reply to @imbus:matrix.org
I believe rich diversity of opinion has, for lack of a better word, a "self-correcting" effect. It would take significant evidence to change my mind on this, since (imo) the polarizing development we see in these environments very strongly supports my perspective. im down for rich diversity of opinion too. as a marxist i fully believe in the existence of contradictory opinions existing in a public space in order to reach a greater sense of truth from what remains when conflicting ideas interract. i dont, however, believe we need to give the forum to every issue possible because the discussion and hosting of instances which are filled with people who think black people are inferior, for instance, are being given a legitimacy to something which is not an acceptable opinion. point blank. no debate. if ur a racist, ur getting deplatformed and u have nobody to blame but urself for being a racist | 19:14:56 |
 zephryn | eh, that seems fair | 19:42:13 |
| Molly M. | In reply to @bkil:matrix.org
Yes, my observation is similar - Mastodon is for normies, while better alternatives are used by geniuses mostly. is that why they're less popular? | 19:15:39 |
| bkilm | Well, it's down to stats - there are simply just so many smart people 🤷 | 19:23:03 |
| Imbus | In reply to @vip1dreamcastle:matrix.org
im down for rich diversity of opinion too. as a marxist i fully believe in the existence of contradictory opinions existing in a public space in order to reach a greater sense of truth from what remains when conflicting ideas interract. i dont, however, believe we need to give the forum to every issue possible because the discussion and hosting of instances which are filled with people who think black people are inferior, for instance, are being given a legitimacy to something which is not an acceptable opinion. point blank. no debate. if ur a racist, ur getting deplatformed and u have nobody to blame but urself for being a racist We dont have to give them a forum. Thats whats so great about federating tech, they can host their own, and be excluded as you see fit. However, i do not appreciate when sysadmins/admins decide for me, a fully capable adult, what i shouldnt and shouldnt engage with. There i see a problem. Im not afraid of opinions, I can handle thinking myself, and i will not join an instance that prohibits federation to specific instances, period. | 19:23:30 |
|  @themadprogramer:matrix.org joined the room. | 19:34:09 |
| elmussol | * But as a hubmin I prefer to let my members make their own decisions about who they interact with. As long as they don't put me in difficult legal position, I am OK with that. | 19:35:41 |
| @themadprogramer:matrix.org | Doing another Mastodon poll today: https://mastodon.online/@themadprogramer/105855857925295704 | 19:37:10 |
| @themadprogramer:matrix.org | What do you guys think about speedrunning? | 19:37:27 |
| elmussol | My hub is small (~100 accounts) and I send a connection request to each new member. I am fairly hard on them in some ways. If they register an account and don't make a channel within a month, I delete the account. If they don't login for 3 months, I send a PM, if they don't reply within a month I delete. | 19:41:36 |
| elmussol | I fortunately haven't had a member who I found so personal objectionable that I have had to consider swinging the permanent banhammer on them. | 19:42:29 |
| elmussol | I provide what I provide for me, my friends and other activists. I don't charge or even solicit contributions. | 19:44:19 |
| elmussol | I invite people I want and those for whom it is useful. I'm not a sectarian and have not only anarchos. I am a clone host for others who I strongly disagree with but are good fedizens. | 19:47:31 |
| @themadprogramer:matrix.org left the room. | 19:49:01 |
| elmussol | One of my most fruitful and stimulating connections is with a Libertarian Party dude from Florida. We clone host each other because we consider each other good fedizens. | 19:49:04 |
| elmussol | * I invite people I want and those for whom it is useful. I'm not a sectarian and have not only anarchos. I am a clone host for others who I strongly disagree with but are good fedizens. | 19:49:30 |
|  ianvatega left the room. | 19:51:13 |
| zephryn | i really love the concept of federation for how it mixes centralization and distributed/decentralized elements of networking | 19:56:36 |
| zephryn | since like anything else, both centralization and completely distributed p2p have their strengths and weaknesses. federation kind of balances it out | 19:57:35 |
| bkilm | In reply to @elmussol:elsmussols.net
I think it's also because I did Friendica then RedMatrix/Hubzilla rather than Mastodon. The arsehole quotient is lower. * Yes, my observation is similar - Mastodon is for normies, while better alternatives (like #friendica-en:grin.hu or Hubzilla) are used by geniuses mostly. | 21:41:43 |
