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23 Sep 2021
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> :ablobpopcorn: 15:09:21
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> look, if you don't want Chinese SoCs, I think you can find American and European SoCs on dev boards from other vendors 15:09:40
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@gamiee> Because they are public entity, and Allwinner and Rockchip SoCs are used widely, mainly in America. For example, Rockchips are used in Chromebooks 15:09:49
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> (or, uh, UK SoCs) 15:10:14
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> get a Zeloof special SoC :-) 15:10:35
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> and really, if it's from a fabless design house, it's going to be lithographed in who knows where anyway... 15:11:03
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> Honestly, it’s not really about Chinese or not, per se. If the Chinese government reversed its position in order to win back companies like ARM, I’d be cautiously optimistic about that. I just want to know that a company I bought a product from, and am considering buying from again, is not going to throw ethics under the bus for the sake of cost. 15:11:45
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@gamiee> Answer is no, it will not 15:12:20
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> So Pine64 is going to stick to legitimate ARM Licensees, then, even if that means switching manufacturing away from China? 15:13:34
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@gamiee> If there will be opportunity, why not? 15:13:54
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> Increased cost, for one? 15:14:12
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> "legitimate" is relative too... 15:14:14
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> but we already know T-T has impossibly high standards 15:14:39
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@gamiee> Yes, increased cost is thing which happens 15:15:23
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@gamiee> Even during this pandemic, many components get more expensive 15:15:41
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> I agree, it is; in this case, I consider “Legitimate” relative to ARM’s perception, rather than any of the participants in China. Preferably, some applicable International Court, if at all relevant. 15:15:46
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> ah yes, the international courts, which have pretty much no power to actually enforce their rulings.. 15:16:20
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> if you wait long enough, they'll all switch over to RISC-V cores, and the problem will solve itself 15:16:22
* @p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> dusts hands15:16:25
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> @jak, hence, “if at all relevant”; I have a preference for their neutrality in the matter, which, hypothetically, would enable more ideal arbitration; but their relevance is, sadly, lacking. 15:17:44
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> look, you're the only one here who cares, afaict 15:18:14
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [I] <@jak> please stop bothering us 15:18:19
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> @Philpax, yes and no. While it would solve the Licensing issue, it wouldn’t solve the ethical issue. Sure, a company that previously stole ARM IP may be making RISC-V chips now, entirely legally, but that doesn’t mean their previous theft should be supported with the purchase of their now legitimate product. 15:19:47
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> It also doesn’t address the issues of Linux on RISC-V, which I don’t know much about, to be honest. 15:20:16
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> Linux on RISC-V is fine 15:20:29
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Philpax> they're making superb progress, you can buy a HiFive Unmatched and run a Linux RISC-V machine today if you wanted 15:20:55
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Tenacious-Techhunter> I’ll have to take your word on that. 15:21:29
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [T] <@Robert> I ordered a phone off Pine64.com and I put the wrong adderess🤦🏻‍♂️anyone know how to contact shipping and receiving? I emailed them and haven’t gotten a response. 15:30:09
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [T] <@Mr Guy> Hi 16:00:37
@p64protocolbot:matrix.orgPine64 Protocol Droid [D] <@Thanos the tank engine> lodge a ticket with support 17:56:37

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