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Secure Messaging Apps (not encrypted room)

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Discussion on secure messenger apps, security and privacy. Prefer peer-to-peer (Secure Scuttlebutt, RetroShare, Jami, Tox, Briar, Cabal, Cwtch, Session, Tinfoil Chat, Freenet, I2P, Twister, GNUnet Chat, OnionShare, Berty), federated (Matrix, SIP/SIMPLE, XMPP, Conversations, Gajim, Pidgin, Movim, Rocket.Chat, Delta Chat, GnuPG, Status.im), planned federated (NextCloud Talk, Wire) or centralized (CryptoDog, Signal, Mumble, Mattermost, Jitsi, Zulip) instead of closed server (Threema, Keybase, Telegram) or proprietary (WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, FaceTime, Zoom, Google Hangouts/Meet, Viber, WeChat, Wickr, Olvid, ICQ, SOMA, Discord, Hushed, Beeper, Skype, FireChat, Kik, Line, Silent Phone, Slack, Tencent QQ, Trillian, TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, HipChat) or outmoded (IRC, Jabber, Cryptocat, Ricochet, Bitmessage, Serval Project).78 Servers

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23 Jan 2022
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm
In reply to @imjona:matrix.org
In my personal case, I don't think it should work that way, because I sometimes need to search for stuffs which are older than a week.
For example, X argument or link that I posted a while ago and someone needs it, so I must DM it (thus, search for it before), or a case where we was talking about Y topic, and we reached to an interesting conclusion, but I eventually forgot that conclusion, so I must search for it again.
* If you have made an argument in the past that comes up so often, it is a sign that you should publish it in a wiki/git note/or other knowledge base solution instead, so others can easily discover it (not only you, who knows what keywords to search for in the infinite chat log (until you remember them!))t
19:14:18
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmCopyleft knowledge base = open knowledge sharing, discovery & reuse by others19:14:48
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmChat log = entertainment19:14:56
@imjona:matrix.orgJonaWait, with knowledge base, you are refering to a kind of Notion database?19:15:43
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmSurely I'm not following my recommendation fully to this day, but I at least I know this blind spot and make an effort to counteract it.19:15:47
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm
In reply to @imjona:matrix.org
Wait, with knowledge base, you are refering to a kind of Notion database?
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/-/tree/master/hu
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/hardware/-/tree/master/doc
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/open-gaming/-/blob/master/ascii.md
    ...
19:17:21
@imjona:matrix.orgJonaGitlab looks scary if you want to make a knowledge database out of it πŸ˜„19:19:39
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm
In reply to @imjona:matrix.org
Wait, with knowledge base, you are refering to a kind of Notion database?
*
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/-/tree/master/hu
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/hardware/-/tree/master/doc
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/open-gaming/-/blob/master/ascii.md
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/kisnux/-/tree/master/doc/hu
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/wiki/-/blob/master/hu/matrix-community.md
  • https://gitlab.com/bkil/humor/-/tree/master/
    ...
19:19:46
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmEverything is mirrored on github19:20:04
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmBut Github Pages, Gitlab Pages, Bitbucket Pages and a bunch of other providers all allow trivial static page generiation.19:21:09
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm * But Github Pages, Gitlab Pages, Bitbucket Pages and a bunch of other providers all allow trivial static page generation.19:21:13
@imjona:matrix.orgJonaWell, I'm more comfort with GitHub, but I still don't find myself comfort with fully knowledge base's being written in code hosting.19:21:28
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmBut because all of these are work in progress drafts shared between experts, there was no need up to now for others to view them.19:21:40
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmBut actually all such VCS-based notes are isomorphic to mediawiki, but it''s much easier and more sustainable this way.19:22:11
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm

See how PrivacyGuides also generates their website from YAML:

  • https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/tree/main/_data/software/messengers
19:22:52
@imjona:matrix.orgJonaWell, that's interesting for sure19:23:43
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm

See how a git based wiki can look like:

  • source https://github.com/OpenTTD/wiki-data/blob/main/Page/en/Community/Play%20Style/Multiplayer%20Rules.mediawiki
  • rendered https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Community/Play%20Style/Multiplayer%20Rules
  • converter: https://github.com/TrueBrain/TrueWiki/
19:27:22
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmRedacted or Malformed Event19:28:01
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm You can edit their wiki by clicking the sign in button and auth'ing with your existing github account, and then edit & save pages how you usually do on Wikipedia. 19:28:38
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm

However, their implementation does use a custom backend server to do some of the operations and commit via their own bot in the repo. I actually have a desire to reimplement something like this without using any server at all. This would be possible because many git forges have a very rich API, so everything could actually be compiled to JavaScript. GitLab, gitea, GitHub and BitBucket as far as I can tell has the needed REST endpoints, so you should be then able to edit the wiki pages after auth'ing with either one.

  • https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/blob/master/hu/service/vcs-code-hosting.md
19:31:25
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm *

However, their implementation does use a custom backend server to do some of the operations and commit via their own bot in the repo. I actually have a desire to reimplement something like this without using any server at all. This would be possible because many git forges have a very rich API, so everything could actually be compiled to JavaScript. GitLab, gitea, GitHub and BitBucket as far as I can tell all have the needed REST endpoints, so you should be then able to edit the wiki pages after auth'ing with either one, but do share if you node other code forges with this feature.

  • https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/blob/master/hu/service/vcs-code-hosting.md
19:32:13
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm *

However, their implementation does use a custom backend server to do some of the operations and commit via their own bot in the repo. I actually have a desire to reimplement something like this without using any server at all. This would be possible because many git forges have a very rich API, so everything could actually be compiled to JavaScript. GitLab, gitea, GitHub and BitBucket as far as I can tell all have the needed REST endpoints, so you should be able to edit any wiki page after auth'ing with either one of them, but do share if you know any other code forges with this feature.

  • https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/blob/master/hu/service/vcs-code-hosting.md
19:33:26
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilmWow, I just found out that they don't store markdown, rather GitHub seems to have a feature that renders wikitext from a git repo just as well as markdown! In certain cases, probably if not using templates.20:13:23
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm
  • https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/working-with-files/using-files/working-with-non-code-files#rendering-differences-in-prose-documents
  • https://github.com/github/markup#user-content-markups

Determines which markup library to use to render a content file (e.g. README) on GitHub

20:18:05
@bkil:matrix.orgbkilm

GitLab seems to support previewing the same set:

  • https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/markdown.html#where-you-can-use-gitlab-flavored-markdown
  • https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-markup#markups
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24 Jan 2022
@tronic:zi.fiTronic bkilm: I suggest checking out Gitea. 01:12:14
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