| 14 Apr 2021 |
 code1234 | https://github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS | 05:25:11 |
| code1234 | * These:
"Replacement of non-FOSS, untrustworthy or suspicious binaries or source code:
Do location sharing with OpenStreetMap(osmdroid) instead of Google Maps
Use Twemoji emoji set instead of Apple's emoji
Google Play Services GCM replaced with Telegram's push service
Has to show a notification on Oreo+, ask Google
SECURITY: Old BoringSSL prebuilts are replaced with the newest upstream source code built at compile time
SECURITY: Old FFmpeg prebuilts are replaced with the newest upstream source code built at compile time
SECURITY: Bundled libWebP is updated
Removal of non-FOSS, untrustworthy or suspicious binaries or source code and their functionality:
Google Vision face detection and barcode scanning (Passport)
Google Wallet and Android Pay integration
Google Voice integration
HockeyApp crash reporting and self-updates
Google SMS retrieval. You have to type the code manually" | 05:27:53 |
 varus0 | i thought the APK also ommited these things | 05:28:11 |
| varus0 | is the f-droid and the apk from the website not the same | 05:28:22 |
| varus0 | are there any stability issues from omitting all these things from the code | 05:29:06 |
| code1234 | The version of fdroid is telegram-FOSS | 05:29:16 |
| code1234 | In reply to @varus0:matrix.org
are there any stability issues from omitting all these things from the code No | 05:29:31 |
 Guy Noir, Private Investigator | @code1234:matrix.org: neat | 05:29:40 |
| varus0 | what about notifications | 05:29:58 |
| varus0 | are they any different | 05:30:00 |
| code1234 | Here a post from a user on the tgfoss room about differences between tg, tgfoss:
https://matrix.to/#/!ryTDFvEdLZGvpkFbtq:matrix.org/$161408768479828JgdWL:t2bot.io?via=matrix.org&via=t2bot.io&via=privacytools.io
| 05:35:02 |
| code1234 | "
> <ᴀʟɪʀᴇᴢᴀ> but only one question I have
>
> the github apk which named as beta, is not really beta, right?????
>
> its stable version but named and beta because of github rules ??
to answer this question definitively, here's some food for thought :
* the "beta" in package name is just a name, it has no effect on the app itself
* telegram and telegram-foss are 2 different apps
* as a result, the meaning of "beta" for telegram is different from the meaning of "beta" for telegram foss
* the source code of telegram on github is always that of stable, never beta
* all versions of tg-foss are based on the source code of telegram which is stable
* this means tg-foss beta is based on source code of telegram stable, because source of telegram beta is not available
* in order to test tg-foss for bugs before pushing it to f-droid, maintainer sometimes provides a debug apk here in this group, and later in github releases. This debug build is named beta because it is intended to be used for testing, despite being based on stable telegram source code.
* differences between tg-foss beta (github) and tg-foss (f-droid) :
- github version is universal (bigger apk size) while f-droid version is optimised for specific cpu architechture (smaller apk size)
- github version has debug flag set to true while f-droid version has debug flag set to false
- github version has signature of maintainer while f-droid version has signature of f-droid
- github version has package name "org.telegram.messenger.beta" while f-droid version has package name "org.telegram.messenger" | 05:40:49 |
| varus0 | but thats not what im asking | 05:41:07 |
| varus0 | im asking for the apk version on their website | 05:41:14 |
| varus0 | not gihub version | 05:41:16 |
| code1234 | Okay: the apk on their website is the same on playstore, but maybe with a different signature, but it has google trackers inside the code. And here there's tgfoss that come to help, because is version of telegram without google shit or others un-foss things | 05:44:57 |
| code1234 | So, if you use telegram from play store, or also from directly from their website, is the same. Is a version with trackers. See by yourself with Classyshark | 05:47:01 |
| varus0 | hmm | 05:50:54 |
| varus0 | is the f-droid version unstable or slower? | 05:51:01 |
| varus0 | 
Download image.png | 05:52:37 |
| varus0 | it has less censorship than the google play version | 05:52:46 |
| code1234 | In reply to @varus0:matrix.org
is the f-droid version unstable or slower? No, it's not unstable because comes directly from the stable version of source code of telegram
That post that I've attached before is an explanation also about why on the github page of tgfoss, there's name BETA in the name.
But tgfoss is directly builded from stable telegram source code, so it's stable | 05:58:30 |
| code1234 | * No, it's not unstable because comes directly from the stable version of source code of telegram.
That post that I've attached before is an explanation also about why on the github page of tgfoss, there's name BETA in the name.
But tgfoss is directly builded from stable telegram source code, so it's stable | 05:58:50 |
| varus0 | what if i just disable all notifications on telegram | 05:59:19 |
| varus0 | cant i just avoid google like that | 05:59:26 |
| code1234 | In reply to @varus0:matrix.org
cant i just avoid google like that I don't know, because I don't know how trackers work | 06:04:18 |
| code1234 | 
Download Screenshot_20210414-075345_ClassyShark3xodus.png | 06:04:45 |
| Guy Noir, Private Investigator | You might look into Briar. I wouldn't recommend it for a social network by any means but it's an option for increased privacy for simple messaging. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.briarproject.briar.android/ | 06:17:04 |
| Guy Noir, Private Investigator | It can be pretty battery hungry though | 06:17:30 |
| varus0 | why are there some people skeptical of f-droid being secure | 06:25:15 |
