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bkil.gitlab.io/secuchart t.me/securemessagingapps matrix.org/legal/code-of-conduct (!modhelp to ping mods) Contributions welcome! Discussion on secure messenger apps, security and privacy. Post off-topic in #messaging-offtopic:matrix.org Prefer #p2p-messengers:matrix.org peer-to-peer (Secure Scuttlebutt, RetroShare, Jami, Tox, Briar, Cabal, Cwtch, Session, Tinfoil Chat, Freenet, I2P, Twister, GNUnet Chat, OnionShare, Berty), federated (Matrix, SIP/SIMPLE, XMPP, Conversations, Gajim, Pidgin, Movim, Rocket.Chat, Delta Chat, GnuPG, Status.im), planned federated (NextCloud Talk, Wire) or centralized (CryptoDog, Signal, Mumble, Mattermost, Jitsi, Zulip) instead of closed server (Threema, Keybase, Telegram) or proprietary (WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, FaceTime, Zoom, Google Hangouts/Meet, Viber, WeChat, Wickr, Olvid, ICQ, SOMA, Discord, Hushed, Beeper, Skype, FireChat, Kik, Line, Silent Phone, Slack, Tencent QQ, Trillian, TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, HipChat) or outmoded (IRC, Jabber, Cryptocat, Ricochet, Bitmessage, Serval Project).147 Servers

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26 Nov 2022
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgI have qTox installed. Although due to Tox's known weaknesses I don't consider it much more than a toy10:47:08
@aminda:pikaviestin.fiAminda (she/they 🏳️‍⚧️ MSC3189) I was going to ask if you don't consider https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426 as an issue 10:57:11
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgI very much do consider that an issue10:58:31
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgThat vuln is approaching the 6 year mark of going unfixed10:59:57
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgNot a good sign11:00:01
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgInstead of fixing it they just slapped an "experimental" label in the README11:00:50
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.orgAnd continued pretending there was no issue11:01:01
@memorysafetybelike:envs.netBabba27's Evil Twin [they|them] -> @alex:matrix.anonymousplanet.org* And continued advertising Tox as secure11:03:06
@einfo:matrix.orgEvgeny
In reply to @vector7:matrix.org
Are there any plans for Nym integration btw?
We didn’t integrate with Tor, really. We simply have a solution that composes well with Tor, either via VPN on iOS (pretty crude) or via SOCKS proxy on Android and POSIX systems (much better). So as long as Nym has an app that exposes the persistent connection via SOCKS it will work, even if the underlying transport is not even TCP - as long as can be kept alive and is ordered. While we might integrate some popular transports (like Tor) it’s not likely we will integrate all possible transports - I think users have to learn to separate these concepts and stop expecting that transport layer is integrated into applications.
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@govindas:govindas.netGovindas🕉️
In reply to @thehidden:tchncs.de
Looks like they're working on putting up v3 services do they can natively support Tor but I'm just speculating
v3 services already put on
11:20:42
@govindas:govindas.netGovindas🕉️* v3 services already put on (sorry if already answered)11:21:38
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@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏)
In reply to @einfo:matrix.org
We didn’t integrate with Tor, really. We simply have a solution that composes well with Tor, either via VPN on iOS (pretty crude) or via SOCKS proxy on Android and POSIX systems (much better). So as long as Nym has an app that exposes the persistent connection via SOCKS it will work, even if the underlying transport is not even TCP - as long as can be kept alive and is ordered. While we might integrate some popular transports (like Tor) it’s not likely we will integrate all possible transports - I think users have to learn to separate these concepts and stop expecting that transport layer is integrated into applications.
I don't really. I just would like communicating with people over the Tor network and that does require work on the app developers end. It doesn't have to be native, that would just be more inherently decentralized and accessible to higher threat models.
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@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏)I'm not asking you to discombobulate the transfixor coils in a way that transducers can't capacitate effectively via the flux initiators 13:02:57
@banhammer:systemtest.tkBanhammer banned @maria_rodriguez:matrix.org@maria_rodriguez:matrix.org (Spam).14:42:20
@innertrout:matrix.orginnertrouton Android with orbot you can use the feature to put data from molly or whatever through tor15:16:32
@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏) Yes, but that's not the point. 15:30:53
@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏) And orbit is leaky. 15:30:58
@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏)* And orbot is leaky. 15:31:06
@innertrout:matrix.orginnertroutI’m not so sure it’s leaky.15:42:07
@innertrout:matrix.orginnertrout I woudl have no way to know, but it seems the evidence is flimsy. More likely if you aren’t passing all traffic through orbot 15:42:28
@innertrout:matrix.orginnertrout But if it’s not the point, I get that 15:42:35
@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏) Android and iOS struggle to route all connections even when in VPN mode. 15:46:18
@_xmpp_agustinharo=40jabber.hot-chilli.net:matrix.orgAgustín Haro changed their display name from Agustín Haro to agustinharo.15:48:54
@_xmpp_agustinharo=40jabber.hot-chilli.net:matrix.orgAgustín Haro changed their display name from agustinharo to Agustín Haro.15:48:57
@tor-user:matrix.orgTor-User
In reply to @thehidden:tchncs.de
And orbot is leaky.
Orbot is leaky, or the apps using orbot are leaky?
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@wernicke1korsakoff1syndrome:matrix.orgPQC.PostQuantumCrypto.NTRUMcEliece.PleaseRedacted or Malformed Event16:16:21
@thehidden:tchncs.deNo (PSA/Anonymous Planet 🌏)It's kind of both depending on how you use orbot but generally speaking it fails to route some dns queries 16:45:12
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