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@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 * Mr. Eugeniusis the one to ultimately decide, but my view is that it is unnecessary. 00:09:02
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 * Mr. Eugenius is the one to ultimately decide, but my view is that it is unnecessary. 00:09:08
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae Speaking about private revelations, it's worth of noting that contemporanely: Blessed Hildegard Von Bingen, Saint Elisabeth of Schoenau, Mary of Agreda and Saint Frances of Roma (Santa Francesca Romana).
In their visionary works, have provided many private revelations, and, as i correctly analyzed, none of them counteradicts catholic teachings nor each other's information.
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@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae The "Mystical city of God", the life of the virgin Mary revealed to Sister Mary of Agreda was one of the most praised ones 00:21:09
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae Forty years after the first appearance of the "Ciudad de Dios" the great universities of Europe were called upon to give their opinion about this great work. All the faculties, except the Jansenistic members of the Sorbonne at Paris, published highest recommendations. At the same time the learned men and teachers of each religious order that maintained institutions of learning in Europe, were asked to contribute their opinions. The following religious orders complied: The Augustinians, Benedictines, Carmelites, Dominicans, Jesuits, Cistercians, Basilians, Trinitarians, Mercedarians, Minims, Hieronymites, Premonstratensians, Reformed Augustinians, Theatines, Minors of the Regular Clergy, all unanimously endorsing the favorable decision previously published by the University of Salamanca. 00:21:22
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae To the approbation of nearly all the Universities and Religious Orders, were then added the high eulogiums of other learned men, great divines, bishops and princes of the Church and of the Popes and the Roman Congregations. As a sample of what these witnesses said concerning the wonderful "Ciudad de Dios", we here select the official approbation of the University of Louvain, one of the great Universities of Europe.
After pointing out that God's power of giving private revelations to whom He chooses, must not be circumscribed, and after referring to some general rules in regard to private revelations, the document proceeds to say:
"Now, while abiding the decision of the Church concerning the revelations, which are given us under the title of The City of God, we, having read the whole work, say and are of the opinion, that the faithful can read it without danger to their faith and without damage to the purity of morals; for there is not found anything within it, which could lead to relaxation or to indiscreet rigor; but on the contrary, we have come to the conclusion that it will be most useful for enlivening and augmenting the piety of the faithful, the veneration of the most holy Virgin, and the respect for the sacred mysteries."
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@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae * The Mystical city of God", the life of the virgin Mary revealed to Sister Mary of Agreda was one of the most praised ones 00:23:31
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae * Forty years after the first appearance of the "Ciudad de Dios" the great universities of Europe were called upon to give their opinion about this great work. All the faculties, except the Jansenistic members of the Sorbonne at Paris, published highest recommendations. At the same time the learned men and teachers of each religious order that maintained institutions of learning in Europe, were asked to contribute their opinions. The following religious orders complied: The Augustinians, Benedictines, Carmelites, Dominicans, Jesuits, Cistercians, Basilians, Trinitarians, Mercedarians, Minims, Hieronymites, Premonstratensians, Reformed Augustinians, Theatines, Minors of the Regular Clergy, all unanimously endorsing the favorable decision previously published by the University of Salamanca. 00:23:41
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae * To the approbation of nearly all the Universities and Religious Orders, were then added the high eulogiums of other learned men, great divines, bishops and princes of the Church and of the Popes and the Roman Congregations. As a sample of what these witnesses said concerning the wonderful "Ciudad de Dios", we here select the official approbation of the University of Louvain, one of the great Universities of Europe.
After pointing out that God's power of giving private revelations to whom He chooses, must not be circumscribed, and after referring to some general rules in regard to private revelations, the document proceeds to say:
"Now, while abiding the decision of the Church concerning the revelations, which are given us under the title of The City of God, we, having read the whole work, say and are of the opinion, that the faithful can read it without danger to their faith and without damage to the purity of morals; for there is not found anything within it, which could lead to relaxation or to indiscreet rigor; but on the contrary, we have come to the conclusion that it will be most useful for enlivening and augmenting the piety of the faithful, the veneration of the most holy Virgin, and the respect for the sacred mysteries."
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@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae As for Blessed Hildegard, Eugene III considered and approved the works of Hildegard of Bingen. 00:32:06
@_discord_795463700521549845:t2bot.ioiustitiaeetgloriae * As for Blessed Hildegard, Eugene III considered and approved her works. 00:32:14
@feeds:integrations.ems.hostFeeds New post in tradcatholic: Satan can only do what God allows him to do 02:10:48
@feeds:integrations.ems.hostFeeds New post in tradcatholic: Pilate’s fault is indeed less than the Jews’ crime 02:10:48
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@_discord_1178811122871185530:t2bot.iosomeemptyfriend Hello, may I ask a some good-faith questions about Sedevacantism that I have 03:25:06
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@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 Good morning. Yes, feel free to ask here. 10:19:43
@_discord_1178811122871185530:t2bot.iosomeemptyfriend 1. At what point according to traditional catholic beliefs do certain media or entertainment become sinful to subject yourself to, and besides the obvious media that glorifies sin wether it be wrath or lust, etc, is it truly also sinful to listen to music that does not directly glorify God and does that also apply to every movie, book or show?
2. How do Sedevacantists honor mass and the sacraments, specifically baptism because if the belief is that the Catholic church became a mock/false church since the Vatican II council then you would not be free from original sin by merely getting baptized by a post-Vatican II priest, right?
3. What translation of the Bible is permitted by Sedevacantists as many translations have been approved for study since Vatican II but which translation is the translation a Sedevacantist would deem worthy/true?
20:18:02
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 1. Well, if some entertainment material contains any instance of God's name abused, profanity used, or immodesty, then it is immoral to knowingly watch that, unless those parts be removed in advance. It is also illicit if it potrays a world governed by heretical ideas (such as "Marvel" movies featuring pagan "gods", and also movies featuring "time travel", "multiverse", and the like), or promotes 'magic', 'sorcery', 'superpowers', etc., then it is immoral to watch.

For music, not only the lyrics should be acceptable, but also the music itself. The beat, tone, melody, and combination of instruments, should not provoke spiritual disorder or invite to a bad mindset or mood. "Rap" and "rock" music are off-limits, and intense "electro-beat" should not be listened to either.

2. We do not believe the Catholic Church herself has become a false Church, as we firmly hold the Catholic Church to be indefectible. What happened was that a non-Catholic, heretical Counter-Church, the Vatican II sect, took possession of the buildings and physical structures that belonged to the Catholic Church, and deceptively presented itself as the same Catholic Church when it in reality was not. The Catholic Church still exists fully intact, but reduced in size, number, and resources, to a remnant of Traditional Catholics around the world.

The Vatican II sect presides over a false, invalid "mass" that is not the same 'mass' as the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but a false 'replacement' that must be avoided.
20:38:55
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 Traditional Catholic sedevacantists believe about the holy Sacraments of the Church the same as the Church has always hold. There is no difference there. The issue is simply that the access to sacraments is not the same as in ordinary times. Most of the sacraments can not be obtained validly, or even licitly, most of the time, because of the changed circumstances. Hence, Catholic sedevacantists are more careful about where to go, so to make sure that they do not receive invalid sacraments or under wrong or unsafe circumstances. One must also have the right dispositions to receive the sacraments worthily, such as being a true Catholic, rejecting heresy, etc. The sacraments most necessary are accessible in most places, especially holy Baptism, which can be validly administered by anyone, even a non-Catholic, as long as correct matter and form are used.

The obligation to go to Mass every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation means that in ordinary situations, one has that obligation. However, in our extraordinary situation, where invalid 'masses' and morally unsafe 'masses' (due to them being celebrated by heretical ministers), are ubiquitous. Ecclesiastical laws can cease to bind due to changed circumstances.
20:38:56
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 * Traditional Catholic sedevacantists believe about the holy Sacraments of the Church the same as the Church has always taught. There is no difference there. The issue is simply that the access to sacraments is not the same as in ordinary times. Most of the sacraments can not be obtained validly, or even licitly, most of the time, because of the changed circumstances. Hence, Catholic sedevacantists are more careful about where to go, so to make sure that they do not receive invalid sacraments or under wrong or unsafe circumstances. One must also have the right dispositions to receive the sacraments worthily, such as being a true Catholic, rejecting heresy, etc. The sacraments most necessary are accessible in most places, especially holy Baptism, which can be validly administered by anyone, even a non-Catholic, as long as correct matter and form are used.

The obligation to go to Mass every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation means that in ordinary situations, one has that obligation. However, in our extraordinary situation, where invalid 'masses' and morally unsafe 'masses' (due to them being celebrated by heretical ministers), are ubiquitous. Ecclesiastical laws can cease to bind due to changed circumstances.
20:39:34
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 3. Translations that was approved by the Church before the Vatican II revolution, by Catholic authorities, are permissible, such as the Douay-Rheims Bible. 20:42:27
@_discord_1178811122871185530:t2bot.iosomeemptyfriend Thank you. These answers are very helpful and I only have two things I want to follow up on that you mentioned. How do I know if the correct matter and form were used for my baptism and to what extend is harsh music off limits? For instance if a song details the process leading up to the crucifixion of Christ wouldn't it make sense for the music to be intense or harsh in nature as the Bible does not stray away from harsh realities or wordings. Much of my time and identity has been made up of my love for rock music being a musician and playing said music and while I make sure to stay away from songs with explicit language, any satanic imagery, critiques or defamations of the Lord, and illicit calls for sin, I sometimes find hope in being able to listen to music of a melancholic but hopeful nature as well. 20:52:14
@_discord_1178811122871185530:t2bot.iosomeemptyfriend Also, I am not apposed to changing and sacrificing this kind of music. I would just like to be sure that this is something I must sacrifice for God to join his Kingdom as music of this nature has become very much imbedded in my identity and my time on earth thus far. 21:00:47
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 So to the first question: The correct matter and form is when real and natural water was used as the matter of Baptism, and the form is the Trinitarian formula, when the minister who baptizes says: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost", with the intention of performing a Baptism.

If there is doubt about whether one's Baptism was valid, one should do a conditional baptism, in which one first says that one baptizes if the person has not already been baptized. Here is a file that talks about this: https://vaticancatholic.com/how-to-perform-a-baptism/

To the second question: Music can be "dramatic", for instance dramatic instances of classical music, but when there is for instance intense "rock music", then that is a problem because it is invites disordered passions and would not be spiritually healthy. Music should have an order and harmony to it so that it is not harmfully affecting the soul. If one seeks consoling music, fortunately there is many licit pieces of music to be found, in chants, classical music, in certain forms of folkmusic and opera, etc.

But definitely give up "rock music". Sacrifice it for the sake of living a Christian life for Christ.
21:06:41
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 * So to the first question: The correct matter and form is when real and natural water was used as the matter of Baptism, and the form is the Trinitarian formula, when the minister who baptizes says: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost", with the intention of performing a Baptism.

If there is doubt about whether one's Baptism was valid, one should do a conditional baptism, in which one first says that one baptizes if the person has not already been baptized. Here is a file that talks about this: https://vaticancatholic.com/how-to-perform-a-baptism/

To the second question: Music can be "dramatic", for instance dramatic instances of classical music, but when there is for instance intense "rock music", then that is a problem because it is invites disordered passions and would not be spiritually healthy. Music should have an order and harmony to it so that it is not harmfully affecting the soul. If one seeks consoling music, fortunately there is many licit pieces of music to be found, in chants, classical music, in certain forms of folkmusic and opera, etc.

So definitely give up "rock music". Sacrifice it for the sake of living a Christian life for Christ.
21:10:00
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 * So to the first question: The correct matter and form is when real and natural water was used as the matter of Baptism, and the form is the Trinitarian formula, when the minister who baptizes says: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost", with the intention of performing a Baptism.

If there is doubt about whether one's Baptism was valid, one should do a conditional baptism, in which one first says that one baptizes if the person has not already been baptized. Here is a file that talks about this: https://vaticancatholic.com/how-to-perform-a-baptism/

To the second question: Music can be "dramatic", for instance dramatic instances of classical music, but when there is for instance intense "rock music", then that is a problem because it is invites disordered passions and would not be spiritually healthy. Music should have an order and harmony to it so that it is not harmfully affecting the soul. If one seeks consoling music, fortunately there are many licit pieces of music to be found, in chants, classical music, in certain forms of folkmusic and opera, etc.

So definitely give up "rock music". Sacrifice it for the sake of living a Christian life for Christ.
21:10:41
@_discord_539823005392437278:t2bot.iochristoffer8136 To consistently obey God's commandments, one would have to avoid such a job, no matter the cost, and try to find another job instead, for we must be willing to lose everything than lose our soul.

Well, we can only attend the weddings and funerals of true, Traditional Catholics. As a Traditional Catholic sedevacantist, it is possible to marry in our situation, and I know of a couple who did so, and I know of another planning to do so. It might be that it suffices for validity to have the consent of the couples, two witnesses, and one who presides over the act of contracting holy Matrimony, even if that person is just a non-Catholic bureaucrat from the State. However, I am not an expert, and this is simply what I vaguely remember hearing about. One should call Most Holy Family Monastery for help.

One can only marry another Catholic who holds to the true, Catholic positions.
21:25:25
@_discord_1178811122871185530:t2bot.iosomeemptyfriend Thank you. I am just now realizing that God has called me to sacrifice way more than I had originally thought. I want to be saved and be in communion with God and if it means sacrificing these things I must. Fully committing to Sedevacantism and Traditional Catholic beliefs will be a struggle but a struggle I know will be worth it. Thank you for helping me on my path to salvation. Knowing this information, I have to start now. I appreciate your help greatly. I will need further guidance and have a few personal questions I have that I feel it'd be best not to air out in a public setting. You've done a lot for me today. I wish I didn't have so many questions but I thank you for answering the ones I've given with grace and to the best of your ability. 21:38:39

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