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John Wiegley: re: https://sachachua.com/blog/2024/11/excerpts-from-a-conversation-with-john-wiegley-johnw-and-adam-porter-alphapapa-about-personal-information-management/

On reviews: I do something similar when I have to follow up on Org mailing list threads (say, things waiting for a reply). My approach is somewhat different:

  1. when I delegate tasks, I first put them into WAITING state to appear during weekly review where I decide what I need to do about a given task - follow up next week, re-review after a month (I use schedule here), defer to next weekly review, or something else
  2. When some non-standard follow up action is necessary, I configured agenda to display the last note taken to remind me about it
  3. If the task makes sense in certain context only, or when I am working on certain project, I use tags: @place for places, or SOMEDAY/HOLD for projects I indefinitely/temporarily suspend. All the agendas are respecting these tags
  4. Certain tasks are annoying in a sense that I cannot act on them, but would like to remember until an opportunity arises. For that, I set up a spaced repetition: the tasks appears in my agenda regularly, but every time I can choose to reschedule it either some time "soon" or "later" - things I remember are pushed back further this way and do not clutter my agendas unnecessarily.

PS. I also use daily reviews and also not trying to handle all the tasks (there is a time cutoff), but those are more for technical things like tagging, adding schedules, efforts, categories, refiling, etc

19:18:33
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn WiegleyI love that idea of incorporating spaced repetition into this!!! Right now I look at the reviewed task and decide to push 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, etc. But for several kinds of tasks I could do better by keeping track of how many times I've pushed it like this, and to dynamically extend the next review date accordingly.19:21:03
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)
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I love that idea of incorporating spaced repetition into this!!! Right now I look at the reviewed task and decide to push 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, etc. But for several kinds of tasks I could do better by keeping track of how many times I've pushed it like this, and to dynamically extend the next review date accordingly.
See https://github.com/yantar92/emacs-config/blob/master/config.org#workflow (search TICKLER)
Also, https://mbork.pl/2024-09-16_Irregular_recurring_TODOs_in_Org_mode%2C_part_II
19:25:07
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)Re: habits. I use this idea from Atomic habits for non-habits as well. If I have a large, complex, task, I write a quick note on something really small to get started on it. This note appears in agenda and easy enough to complete to actualy start working. Then, with rather high probability, I actually continue working on that task. Also, it was a lot of fun splitting cleaning my house into small-ish habits - clean a little every day, and even put a trigger on this action to when I finish dinner19:30:54
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor) Oh, year. alphapapa 19:31:27
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor) * Oh, yeah. alphapapa 19:31:35
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn WiegleyAnother thing I did which was helpful is that I changed my effort estimates to roughly follow the Fibonacci sequence, due to https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/why-the-fibonacci-sequence-works-well-for-estimating19:31:35
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)
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Another thing I did which was helpful is that I changed my effort estimates to roughly follow the Fibonacci sequence, due to https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/why-the-fibonacci-sequence-works-well-for-estimating
curous. Although, I use efforts in a fashion alphapapa does with timers - put effort estimate + alarm on expiry with the aim to work at least that much time on difficult tasks
19:33:04
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleymostly I use efforts to raise my consciousness of when I've vastly over-scheduled a given day19:33:24
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleybig tasks (>1 hour) also become a sign that smaller tasks may help move me forward, just as with your example of the "getting the ball rolling" task above19:37:19
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)Re: TODO lists. I actually have 3 agendas: one for "must do" items, one for "would be nice to, but optional", and one for "if I have finished the previous two agendas, go ahead and choose something from here". I populate these agendas weekly, trying to make sure that they are not too large. Especially "must do" one - if I cannot finish something in a week, it is not so "must" anyway :)19:38:06
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegley Today I'm going to implement a KEYWORDS system and an org-ql keyword predicate, because I'm realizing that I want tags that aren't always visible, that behave like categories but without represent any kind of hierarchy. Then I'll make some keyword agenda queries. 19:39:04
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn WiegleyI have 3 agendas too, in effect, but I separate them using just priority and super-agenda19:39:24
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)
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Today I'm going to implement a KEYWORDS system and an org-ql keyword predicate, because I'm realizing that I want tags that aren't always visible, that behave like categories but without represent any kind of hierarchy. Then I'll make some keyword agenda queries.
I have these kinds of things all over the place in agenda queries
19:41:30
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)here: https://github.com/yantar92/emacs-config/blob/master/config.org#agenda--scheduling19:42:39
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn WiegleySometimes I just need custom lists, like "org-mode stuff I want to do on a rainy day" that might be scattered in lots of places19:42:46
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)
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Sometimes I just need custom lists, like "org-mode stuff I want to do on a rainy day" that might be scattered in lots of places
that's called SOMEDAY list :)
19:43:14
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)but that thing tends to grow too much for a single agenda19:43:34
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleyyes, except that the SOMEDAY tasks might be in several different places19:43:34
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleyand I don't want to query for all SOMEDAY keywords19:43:39
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleynor will "all Org-mode and all SOMEDAY keywords" find them19:43:49
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegleyso sometimes I need a "lateral cut" of my todos19:43:59
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegley I use Org-roam a lot, and have todos in many files. I might have an Org-mode related todo in my main todo.org file, but also have an Org-mode related todo in my meeting file for the discussion that Sacha and Adam and I had. 19:44:47
@yantar92:matrix.orgyantar92 (Org contributor)I handle these things by grouping tasks into topics. Some topics are "active", some are not. I have an agenda listing all the topics, and can jump there to see SOMEDAY tasks inside19:44:52
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19:45:54
@jwwiegley:matrix.orgJohn Wiegley

keywords, topics, categories, tags ... they are all a bit fungible. I've decided to define their meaning as follows:

  • categories are hierarchical
  • tags are for "resources required to address the task", like people, places and situations
  • topics and keywords are attributes of any task and act as tags normally do in other systems
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