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6 Mar 2021
@david:comms.imDavid* Vivi Nella Verita that was a good question to bring up. God does not call us to be abused. My uncle is famous for saying "God only gave me four cheeks to turn!" However, if it is within us to withstand abuse out of love to reach the abuser, for example Jim Elliott and his widow, do it.03:55:14
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella VeritaWe are supposed to forgive our brother 77 times or limited times as scripture says 03:55:38
@david:comms.imDavid70 x 703:56:05
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@david:comms.imDavidJesus was saying, I forgive you without counting, you shouldn't either.03:56:58
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella VeritaChristianity seems very pasifict and that makes it possible for our enemies defeat us 03:57:07
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella VeritaWhen is it ok for action?03:57:32
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella Verita* Christianity seems very pasifict and that makes it possible for our enemies defeat us 03:58:21
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella VeritaWe have to submit to officials and government but what did Christians do for 200 years before Nero when it was illegal to practice? What do we do when Government is being bad and influenced by the kabalists?04:01:17
@verita84:rage.lolVivi Nella Verita* We have to submit to officials and government but what did Christians do for 200 years before Nero when it was illegal to practice? What do we do when Government is being bad and influenced by the kabalists?04:01:40
@david:comms.imDavid

I had a bunch typed out, but this short answer is best.

It is always about love, as much lieth in you. That is different for everyone.

Jude 22-23

And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23. And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

I love my children, so I protect them with my life. In the old and new testaments God says to do justice for the widows and the fatherless because God does. He is our example in all things.

God loves his children and died for them but is angry with the wicked every day and can kill their soul in hell.

There is a time for war and a time for forgiveness. Discernment, which comes from reading the Word of God, governs when each time is.

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@david:comms.imDavid* 70 x 704:23:18
@calleduntoliberty:matrix.orgCalledUntoLibertyRecommended great read on this topic: "Romans 13, The True Meaning of Submission", 2nd Edition, by Timothy and Chuck Baldwin. 13:22:50
@david:comms.imDavidTo be honest, I like Chuck, but I was disappointed with both editions. I actually found this the best on commentary on the subject:17:59:35
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@david:comms.imDavidAnd it was done in only 50 pages18:00:39
@david:comms.imDavid* To be honest, I like Chuck, but I was disappointed with both editions. I actually found this the best on commentary on the subject:18:02:17
@calleduntoliberty:matrix.orgCalledUntoLibertyI'll have to check that out, thanks.18:05:46
@david:comms.imDavidhttps://vimeo.com/ondemand/tlac <-- I first saw this on the Genesis Science Network roku channel... I think they're pretty good and worth getting and sharing20:59:37
@david:comms.imDavidHe's not always right, but... who is....21:15:56
7 Mar 2021
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To be honest, I like Chuck, but I was disappointed with both editions. I actually found this the best on commentary on the subject:
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@86ul:privacytools.io86ul*Got it https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22293498-a-discourse-concerning-unlimited-submission-and-non-resistance-to-the-h14:26:50
@david:comms.imDavidYou got it! That first comment is so amazingly double-minded. He falsely complains that the author was a "theological liberal" and then cites a christianitytoday.com article as his "most important source". What the comment author doesn't like is using the Bible to interpret the Bible, which Mayhew does and theological liberals avoid. I suggest you read it for yourself and comment here: 😜 Here is a very readable PDF: https://lc.org/PDFs/A%20Discourse%20Concerning%20Unlimited%20Submission%20and%20Non-Resistance%20to%20the%20Higher%20Powers%20-%20Jonathan%20Mayhew%20-%201750.pdf 14:52:02
@david:comms.imDavid * You got it! That first comment is so amazingly double-minded. He falsely complains that the author was a "theological liberal" and then cites a christianitytoday.com article as his "most important source". What the comment author doesn't like is using the Bible to interpret the Bible, which Mayhew does and theological liberals avoid. Here is a very readable PDF: https://lc.org/PDFs/A%20Discourse%20Concerning%20Unlimited%20Submission%20and%20Non-Resistance%20to%20the%20Higher%20Powers%20-%20Jonathan%20Mayhew%20-%201750.pdf 14:54:16
@david:comms.imDavid * You got it! That first comment is so amazingly double-minded. He falsely complains that the author was a "theological liberal" and then cites a christianitytoday.com article as his "most important source". What the comment author doesn't like is using the Bible to interpret the Bible, which Mayhew does and theological liberals avoid. I suggest you read it for yourself and comment here: ;-) Here is a very readable PDF: https://lc.org/PDFs/A%20Discourse%20Concerning%20Unlimited%20Submission%20and%20Non-Resistance%20to%20the%20Higher%20Powers%20-%20Jonathan%20Mayhew%20-%201750.pdf 14:54:48
@david:comms.imDavid * You got it! That first comment is so amazingly double-minded. He falsely complains that the author was a "theological liberal" and then cites a christianitytoday.com article as his "most important source". What the comment author doesn't like is using the Bible to interpret the Bible, which Mayhew does and theological liberals avoid. I suggest you read it for yourself and comment here: 😜 Here is a very readable PDF: https://lc.org/PDFs/A%20Discourse%20Concerning%20Unlimited%20Submission%20and%20Non-Resistance%20to%20the%20Higher%20Powers%20-%20Jonathan%20Mayhew%20-%201750.pdf 14:54:59
@86ul:privacytools.io86ulMaybe that article on Christianity Today is that important...16:36:26
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@david:comms.imDavid

Excerpt from the Christianity Today (progressive connotation from "today") article:

"But were the admitted abuses serious enough to warrant an armed revolution? Patriot leaders thought so, but there is a problem with why they thought so. They were troubled less by actual evils (like the tax on tea, which, ironically, had made tea cheaper in the colonies than in England)."

To me that shows they have no concept of liberty, just "what can I get for me", which is a progressive mindset. It betrays their entire thought process and so any judgment that may result from it. It actually shows the principled stance of the colonists, willing to take a hit on price to protect liberty (which taxation without representation destroys)

To explain my comment from before about CT was that the goodreads commenter was trying to turn folks away from Mayhew by calling him a theological liberal while citing one of the most theologically progressive publications of our time.

To explain my ccomment about theological liberals and using the Bible to interpret the Bible is that liberals/progressives tend to want to introduce some outside source to interpret a scripture they have problems with. When fundamentalists are guilty of not using the Bible to interpret itself they are more likely to build a wall around a scripture and take it out it context.

Mayhew did an excellent job of using scripture to interpret itself, IMHO

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@windcask:matrix.orgwindcaskCT is poison and a disgrace to Billy Graham's legacy21:14:39

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