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persono.id |
It's not quite easy to give a short simple answer as under the hood it is supposed to have a strong formalized protocol. | 17:33:42 |
gate32 | The latter can be more accurate, but imagine all electronic devices are somehow gone (sun activity, it will eventually happen) | 17:34:50 |
persono.id |
You see, it is vice versa). There's some basic math and cryptography that make possible async encryption. The rest are just consequences, promo, sort of. | 17:38:10 |
gate32 | > they may give you a proposal - so they don't know me, but can send me that proposal through some channel? | 17:38:16 |
persono.id |
Ah, we then get back to stone age) | 17:39:50 |
persono.id |
I'd say they sort of leave a message for you. Kinda anonymous postbox that only you have keys from. | 17:42:21 |
gate32 | I still don't get that solution though, and why does it so needs my biometry, and how will it be collected to check my identity, and if somebody collected it, and this is the only needed info to make some transactions (only myself, you say), then what prevents that person to pretend being me? | 17:44:12 |
persono.id | Or maybe you personal AI agent scans markets and collects personal proposals that will fit your demands and params. | 17:44:14 |
gate32 | In reply to @persono.id:matrix.orgI would like to just have a global database of everything available out there on my pc, and to search through it, again, locally, so that my sizes and any other info is never sent to anybody | 17:46:12 |
gate32 | In reply to @persono.id:matrix.orgYes, we may... So I think anything THAT global must have a backup plan, relying on just people. As simple as taxi. They can work with internet, with GSM, with paging, or without any. No cars? They'll pedal! =) | 17:50:18 |
gate32 | I'm very sceptical about AI. It sure can do many things, but it doesn't have human understanding, so while being more accurate than human most of the time, it can make terrible inhuman decisions time to time. | 17:54:16 |
persono.id | > I still don't get that solution though, and why does it so needs my biometry, and how will it be collected to check my identity, and if somebody collected it, and this is the only needed info to make some transactions (only myself, you say), then what prevents that person to pretend being me? You are asking right question. We've passed through the same when thinking it over) We don't see simple solution. Zero-knowledge is brilliant , but existing implementations are weak or expensive and there are a lot promising under development. Keeping you data local cuts off opportunities to access to depersonificated data, another key point of persono.id and there is no need to with ZKP. | 17:58:08 |
persono.id |
Well, it's just a buzzword) Think of a crawler or robot. AI means self educating system, as simple as that. | 17:59:35 |
gate32 | In reply to @persono.id:matrix.orgWell, if you call that anonymous after they got to know my size and preferences and probably my ip and other browser info and my name and adress because I can't buy other way than delivery. While the last bits might be inevitable, are the first ones opt-in, again? | 17:59:42 |
gate32 | > We don't see simple solution. - Me either... You kan replace your key, but you can't replace what you are... BUT you can also break what you are (loosing part of the body, getting ill, etc...) | 18:05:39 |
persono.id |
You are trying to fit it in some existing solutions and technologies. But the whole system looks like a big open but encrypted (quantum computers safe) data totally managed by owners. Implementation is a different story. | 18:06:18 |
gate32 | Zero-knowledge is brilliant , but existing implementations are weak or expensive and there are a lot promising under development.Keeping you data local cuts off opportunities to access to depersonificated data, another key point of persono.id and there is no need to with ZKP.Read it multiple times and still can't get what you mean. Keeping what data where? | 18:08:08 |
persono.id | I mean that you really give it quite a thought. And the hardest thing is the protocol. | 18:08:31 |
persono.id |
Keeping data in a sort of a blockchain, but implement differently. | 18:09:22 |
persono.id |
You can't replace WHO you are, absolutely right! | 18:11:25 |
gate32 | I guess I should read up on that ZKP implementations | 18:12:43 |
gate32 | In reply to @persono.id:matrix.orgBut that also means that once YOU are compromised, you can't do anything with it, doensn't it? | 18:13:46 |
gate32 | Like if I have your fingerprint and make it public, well, you are zucked | 18:14:42 |
gate32 | I get it'll be orders of magnitude harder with every possible parameter combined, but still doable | 18:16:24 |
gate32 | And very doable if we talk about governments, they already tend to collect as many as they can | 18:17:44 |
persono.id |
Nit quite. | 19:08:45 |
gate32 | It is really very deep and technical. I fail to imagine it working. Ok, you can use your fingerpring to buy ice cream, and if it was not you, you can reverse it.... Waait a minute, how exactly do you reverse an ice cream? | 19:17:22 |
gate32 | I actually don't know what storno is. I don't use banks at all. | 19:19:51 |
gate32 | Or more correct, I'm not used by any banks directly | 19:21:12 |
gate32 | Anyways it seems to me that these auth systems must be really very sophisticated and they'll receive hell of a lot of data. If so, who would control, own, produce, support these? They also must cost a lot. Analize DNA, ha. And the least privacy-intrusive they'll seem the more they actually will be, just doing everything silently. Something like today's most popular 'social' networks. That's what makes me afraid of such future. | 19:28:32 |