| 11 Dec 2024 |
 franzopow | On element web I believe you just need to hover on the name and it tells you the address but I don't remember rn | 10:52:36 |
 poVoq | franzopow: if it is so easily visible, why are you complaining then? /s | 10:52:55 |
| franzopow | In reply to @franzopow:matrix.org
Not really but it's an extra click to navigate into the room and check the address Speaking of which creating a space, which I did, solves th problem because uses spaces as intended | 10:53:10 |
| franzopow | In reply to @irc_poVoq:matrix.f-hub.org
franzopow: if it is so easily visible, why are you complaining then? /s Because changin the room name makes it very very clear for every client/protocol on earth | 10:53:33 |
| franzopow | Even email | 10:53:41 |
| poVoq | It is already very clear for every client/protocol, except matrix which intentionally obfuscates the server part. | 10:54:28 |
 Skyflare ⚡️ | That server that matters isn't even in the room address, which contains matrix.f-hub.org, not f-hub.org | 10:54:36 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | Because they are separate. f-hub.org isn't even directly in the matrix federation/network | 10:54:36 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | poVoq: Matrix doesn't just "obfuscate" it, matrix is designed so that servers aren't relevant | 10:55:59 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | for example if tchncs.de (which is the server in the current main address of LibreGaming rooms) is down nothing will happen to the rooms | 10:56:02 |
| poVoq | Skyflare ⚡️: servers are relevant even in matrix. | 10:56:24 |
| poVoq | If the technics homeserver runs a bridge, then the room is practically not functional if the server goes down. | 10:58:03 |
| poVoq | Other matrix home servers just pretend it isn't. Similar to a netsplit in irc. | 10:58:31 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | In this case the bridge is just a separate entity (same as user) | 10:59:33 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | When a home bridge is down only its users are affected | 10:59:33 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | It's just that in a bridges case all the users from that bridge uses the same homeserver | 10:59:49 |
| poVoq | In the case of a portaled room the bridge *is* the room. | 11:00:12 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | poVoq: you can read my messages right? | 11:00:45 |
| poVoq | Not if the bridge is down. | 11:01:09 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | I just routed f-hub.org, matrix.f-hub.org and tchncs.de to 0.0.0.0 | 11:01:50 |
| poVoq | That's just federation | 11:02:25 |
| poVoq | You can do the same on xmpp | 11:02:35 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | Portaled rooms are just a weird thing done by the bridge so clients shouldn't have to treat them as their own thing | 11:02:58 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | And iirc they will continue to work alongside other matrix users without the bridge | 11:03:30 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | In reply to @skyflare:conduit.rs
And iirc they will continue to work alongside other matrix users without the bridge emorrp1: right? | 11:03:36 |
| poVoq | Yes, similar to how people can still chat on netspit irc channels | 11:04:02 |
| poVoq | But that's rather a problem than an advantage | 11:04:53 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | Yes, but in this case that f-hub is just another random homeserver | 11:04:55 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | Nothing special with it other than that it houses more users than usual | 11:05:08 |
| Skyflare ⚡️ | That's why it's domain shouldn't have special treatment from the protocol and clients | 11:05:42 |
