 | General [Snowdrift.coop] | 45 Members |
| https://Snowdrift.coop || Crowdmatching for Public Goods || More channels: #snowdrift-space:matrix.org +snowdrift:matrix.org || This channel is publicly logged folks: Salt, wolftune, smichel17, Adroit, alignwaivers, iko, mray, MSiep | 13 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 19 Apr 2024 | ||
 smichel17 | * More compressed version:
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| 20 Apr 2024 | ||
 wolftune | I'd say You pledge an amount that you will donate monthly when enough others join you and fund the project's full goal. | 00:44:13 |
| wolftune | * I'd say You pledge an amount that you will donate monthly when enough others join you to fund the project's full goal. | 00:44:35 |
| wolftune | * I'd say You **pledge** an amount that you will donate monthly *when* enough others join you to fund the project's full goal. | 00:45:27 |
 mray | Hello everbody 👋, https://crowdmatch.org/how.html <- is this the new mechanism? | 14:27:17 |
| smichel17 | Hi mray! https://crowdmatch.org is MSiep's iteration on how to present crowdmatching. We have not yet decided if that is exactly the version of the mechanism we will use yet. We have decided that we like the way the information is organized there (simple homepage, how/why pages, interactive example..). So, crowdmatch.org is a prototype of what will be implemented in the elm site (currently new.snowdrift.coop, moving to the main website soon). Depending on what we decide with the mechanism, we might tweak the phrasing and the math for the interactive example. | 15:12:38 |
| smichel17 | Specifically, the three things we have not formally decided:
| 15:14:23 |
| smichel17 | In reply to @mray:matrix.orgIn short: not 100% decided, but something close to it. | 15:16:07 |
| smichel17 | E.g. https://community.snowdrift.coop/t/dollar-goal-with-cap-on-matching/1905 is some compromise between patron and dollar matching. | 15:17:53 |
| smichel17 | Although, I don't know if anyone is arguing for patrons any more (Salt?). I like the mechanics/incentives of patron-based matching but think the dollar-goal framing is superior (hence i like ^that forum link). Maybe we could formally make that decision at next week's meeting. | 15:50:28 |
| smichel17 | * Although, I don't know if anyone is arguing for patrons any more (Salt?). I like the mechanics/incentives of patron-based matching but think the dollar-goal framing is superior (hence ideas like ^that forum link). Maybe we could formally make that decision at next week's meeting. | 15:50:54 |
| wolftune | we need not make final decisions besides those away made about getting alpha fully launched still, but I'm okay with the general presumption of this approach to variable-pledges for simplicity, we might want to make a version of the updated presentation that assumes only in or out, everyone at same pledge level. Long term, maybe projects will want to use that option even if we support variable pledges | 17:12:21 |
| smichel17 | wolftune: We need to make decisions. They can always be revisited, but they are essential for forward progress and everybody "pushing in the same direction". | 17:18:49 |
| wolftune | we need to make decisions but at the appropriate time I'll refrain from adding an absurdist proof I'm okay with deciding on a plan for how variable pledge levels will work, and I'm okay with considering whether this is an appropriate time to decide where we are going ahead with variable pledges as the main focus (though I'm not convinced this moment that we are at that point) | 17:25:13 |
| smichel17 | FWIW my message was not about variable pledges. It was about deciding that we will use the dollar-goal framing, even if mechanically we have some compromise that makes it more like patron-goal (e.g. a limit on how much of each person's donation will be matched). | 17:28:53 |
| wolftune | with single pledge level, dollar framing presentation and crowd size are compatible and can be equally present, and I don't see any benefit to leaving out crowd size in that scenario | 17:33:18 |
| smichel17 | That's fair. We can still use what I said above to narrow down how many options we are deciding between (2-3 options instead of 4). | 21:55:50 |
| 22 Apr 2024 | ||
| mray | In reply to @smichel17:matrix.orgSo is there and idea on how to get to 100%? | 17:33:23 |
| 23 Apr 2024 | ||
 Adroit | In reply to @mray:matrix.orgI think they're saying that we'll just get together one day and decide, in the usual way, but not until after beta is launched. | 01:18:07 |
| wolftune | well I dunno about beta, maybe alpha at least, or just the elm front-end is in place and live | 01:57:15 |
| wolftune | we should make decisions prior to when we are ready to act on them (updating the elm-based front-end design would be easiest if design-relevant decisions are done) | 02:02:07 |
| Adroit | In reply to @wolftune:matrix.orgYes exactly, I've been calling the Haskell site alpha and the Elm site beta | 03:18:00 |
| Adroit | In reply to @wolftune:matrix.org👍 Some things are not blocked, e.g. if we decide on crowdmatch.org branding then I could design the site with that in mind going forward starting immediately | 03:22:02 |
| wolftune | yes, my last statement was along the lines that we should decide sooner on many things because they are actionable relatively soon | 03:26:53 |
 MSiep | In reply to @smichel17:matrix.org
I think delaying deciding on these two things has major downsides, especially for communicating clearly to the wider world. | 13:26:59 |
| wolftune | I agree with those points | 13:37:35 |
 Salt | I think that making decisions on the outstanding things will take work and is best done with another organized "retreat" but are not blocking launch of the new website or "new-alpha" (?) mechanism. I have not given space to review and re-sit with the outcomes of the last retreat, and I'd like to before voicing what my stance is on the remaining issues. There were very reasonable arguments on the various sides, and when we make them, we are locked into them. | 17:01:23 |
| mray | To refresh the memory of my proposal I'll leave this here, hoping somebody will have a look at it: | 20:36:39 |
| mray |  Download image.png | 20:37:09 |
| wolftune | In reply to @mray:matrix.orgas always, I really appreciate your skill with visual presentation :) | 21:04:59 |