| 2 Oct 2023 |
 stefan | In reply to @niza_:matrix.org
nehguk: As far as I can tell solar is one of the better ones now. Would be nice to see it come as a trend to have people cover their roofs with it.
As far as I can tell smaller scale windmills don't really disturb the birds, so putting 2-4 per roof with a cage around the blade would probably work quite well. Have seen places with 100~ of these smaller windmills, and the birds stick around. small scale windmills won't have such a good efficiency and just imagine the rage of all those NIMBY-people when you would propose this in any way. The bird argument also falls fairly flat for windmills. My guess would be that more birds die from airplanes and literal windows (birds don't see them since they are transparent) than flying into a whilte windmill in the ocean or on-shore | 13:11:17 |
 努力 未来 A BEAUTIFUL STAR | In reply to @stefan:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de
small scale windmills won't have such a good efficiency and just imagine the rage of all those NIMBY-people when you would propose this in any way. The bird argument also falls fairly flat for windmills. My guess would be that more birds die from airplanes and literal windows (birds don't see them since they are transparent) than flying into a whilte windmill in the ocean or on-shore It might not have been apparent, but “killing birds” has also covered reduction of living space for birds, supposedly because windmills establish no-fly zones for birds in their vicinity. | 13:13:52 |
| 努力 未来 A BEAUTIFUL STAR | To be clear, I’m not taking any stance on validity of this claim, just clearing up a misunderstanding | 13:14:54 |
| 努力 未来 A BEAUTIFUL STAR | * To be clear, I’m not taking any stance on the validity of this claim, just clearing up a misunderstanding | 13:15:04 |
| 努力 未来 A BEAUTIFUL STAR | * To be clear, I’m not taking any stance on the validity of this claim, just clearing up an apparent misunderstanding | 13:15:30 |
| stefan | thats valid as well not though about this | 13:15:37 |
| stefan | though I guess classic energy sources destroy way more living space for humans and birds than a windmill on a hill. Just think what coal does | 13:16:23 |
 nehguk | In reply to @stefan:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de
though I guess classic energy sources destroy way more living space for humans and birds than a windmill on a hill. Just think what coal does humm
Coal-fired power plants? Nothing serious. It just kills… people? Haha
Air pollution (NO, NO2, H2S, CO, VOCs etc) is not exactly a joke. | 14:18:44 |
| stefan | Tbh more about mining the coal aswell | 14:34:49 |
 Aerta | N2O is actually funny though | 15:32:04 |
| Aerta | :> | 15:32:07 |
| Aerta | By the way someone had an idea to add bones of animals in coal on coal plants | 15:32:44 |
| Aerta | They even did it in Germany | 15:32:50 |
| Aerta | In reply to @stefan:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de
Oh yeah in terms of solar stuff the panels were extremely expensive like ten years ago. The german government would pay you quite well for this type of energy since they wanted to further their goals. So they upped the price for everyone for energy and susidized it that way. Nowadays panels are so cheap that it really would make sense for every house to just plaster their roofs with them 😂
Also on the "reason why fossil fuels are so cheap" -- Just look at the wild swing in gas prices lately 🤮 In Russia you can set up solar panels and put a meter to your output so electricity company would pay you for your electricity generation | 15:50:08 |
| Aerta | Some people are using solar panels for that without batteries | 15:50:20 |
| stefan | In reply to @aliakhin:matrix.org
By the way someone had an idea to add bones of animals in coal on coal plants I mean its all carbon in the end. But bones are less dense so will contain less energy. But I guess it might be fine to stretch the coal | 16:00:44 |
 niza_ | There are many way worse polluters that we use, but the carbon vs oxygen debate is more nuanced than that. The issue isn't really that carbon is used, as much as it is the fact that we're letting out too much new carbon at a time while killing carbondioxide to carbon and oxygen breathers.
The entire debate agaist cows is for instance quite silly, as cows don't add any new carbondioxide, it just breathe from the materials already in the atmosphere.
If we just let it out at a resonable pace, and kept a balanced ecosystem if breathers it would actually be a good thing.
Same can't be said fir many toxins we put out though. | 19:27:13 |
| niza_ | * There are many way worse polluters that we use, but the carbon vs oxygen debate is more nuanced than that. The issue isn't really that carbon is used, as much as it is the fact that we're letting out too much new carbon at a time, while killing carbondioxide to carbon and oxygen breathers.
The entire debate agaist cows is for instance quite silly, as cows don't add any new carbondioxide, it just breathe from the materials already in the atmosphere.
If we just let it out at a resonable pace, and kept a balanced ecosystem if breathers it would actually be a good thing.
Same can't be said fir many toxins we put out though. | 19:27:58 |
| niza_ | * There are many way worse polluters that we use, but the carbon vs oxygen debate is more nuanced than that. The issue isn't really that carbon is used, as much as it is the fact that we're letting out too much new carbon at a time, while killing carbondioxide to carbon and oxygen breathers.
The entire debate agaist cows is for instance quite silly, as cows don't add any new carbondioxide, it just breathe from the materials already in the atmosphere.
If we just let it out at a resonable pace, and kept a balanced ecosystem if breathers it would actually be a good thing.
Same can't be said for many toxins we put out though. | 19:29:08 |
| niza_ | * There are many way worse polluters that we use, but the carbon vs oxygen debate is more nuanced than that. The issue isn't really that carbon is used, as much as it is the fact that we're letting out too much new carbon at a time, while killing carbondioxide to carbon and oxygen breathers.
The entire debate agaist cows is for instance quite silly, as cows don't add any new carbondioxide, it just breathe from the materials already in the atmosphere.
If we just let it out at a resonable pace, and kept a balanced ecosystem of breathers it would actually be a good thing.
Same can't be said for many toxins we put out though. | 19:30:02 |
 GNU/gentritine | That's not entirely correct with the cows, though overall the point is good. The issue with them is they digest grass to methane. So they turn grass into a GHG, and a particularly potent one at that | 19:37:02 |
| GNU/gentritine | I'd generally agree that they're a lot less worse than digging up fossil fuels tho and do serve as a bit of a deflection topic for sure | 19:38:30 |
| GNU/gentritine | * I'd generally agree that they're a lot less bad than digging up fossil fuels tho and do serve as a bit of a deflection topic for sure | 19:38:42 |
| GNU/gentritine | * That's not entirely correct with the cows, though overall the point is good. The issue with them is they digest grass to methane. So they turn grass into a GHG, and a particularly potent one at that (though relatively short lived) | 19:40:46 |
| niza_ | Is the mathane issue also true for more traditional cows, or just the industrial breeds?
I found they were trying to breed it out of them, but industrial cow breeds are a menace in general in my experience. | 19:58:49 |
| GNU/gentritine | I don't really know, I'd assume it's the same. In any case it's the industrial ones that are the problem just because there's a lot more of them | 20:28:08 |
 alitam ⚡️ | The US has way more than enough wind to power the entire country | 23:20:04 |
| 3 Oct 2023 |
 SPARTACUS | Donald Trump has enough wind to power the world ! | 00:55:56 |
 Dezponia | Lul: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/2/23900158/apple-watch-edition-gold-2015-obsolete-unsupported-beyonce | 07:47:00 |
| GNU/gentritine | Imagine getting something so gauche to flex your wealth 😨 | 07:55:34 |
