| 30 Jul 2021 |
 Niklas | Also you still google microsoft and yahoo critical metadata like who you are communicating with, which is sometimes literally more important than the content of the message lol | 10:50:58 |
 appleseed21 | I don’t leave the keys to my front door on the mat. They are separate. My point is with Proton the lock and the keys are in the same place… with proton. | 10:51:25 |
| appleseed21 | I don’t use those services, I was just making a point about encryption in general. | 10:52:03 |
| appleseed21 | * I don’t use those services, I was just making a point about encryption in general. | 10:52:20 |
| Niklas | I'm really not sure if you are trolling or just don't understand the use case, attack vectors and protocol or that you can use the bridge or mobile apps. | 10:53:07 |
| appleseed21 | You make a good point about The Who you email vs the email. That is a different security topic and I agree with you. | 10:53:35 |
| appleseed21 | I am just saying that I don’t think the way proton implements security is really as secure as people think. | 10:55:04 |
| Niklas | It is, the problem lies in the architecture on the web not the implementation | 10:56:01 |
| appleseed21 | Sure | 10:56:13 |
| appleseed21 | Agreed. | 10:56:18 |
| Niklas | besides the fact that they can still extract incoming, unencrypted mail which is the prime use case for protonmail and similar services but that problem too lies in the architecture of the underlying protocols | 10:56:46 |
| Niklas | In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
besides the fact that they can still extract incoming, unencrypted mail which is the prime use case for protonmail and similar services but that problem too lies in the architecture of the underlying protocols and pretty much anybody is required to do on request of a court these days | 10:57:20 |
| appleseed21 | In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
and pretty much anybody is required to do on request of a court these days I think Proton is a good solution over Gmail, but people should know if a government really wants your email, they most likely will get it. If you are in China, don’t fully rely on Proton. I might make the same case for the US that uses secret courts. | 11:01:02 |
| Niklas | btw acting maliciously is not in the interest of protonmail unless they are a honeypot run by a gov so I don't think they will actively modify the code to extract keys unless the are required to do so, problem with these things is it's detectable | 11:02:54 |
| appleseed21 | In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
btw acting maliciously is not in the interest of protonmail unless they are a honeypot run by a gov so I don't think they will actively modify the code to extract keys unless the are required to do so, problem with these things is it's detectable You make a good point. | 11:03:45 |
| Niklas | Goverments will just hack your device if they have to and sadly it becomes more common
It's almost impossible to have really secure convenient communication | 11:04:46 |
| appleseed21 | In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
Goverments will just hack your device if they have to and sadly it becomes more common
It's almost impossible to have really secure convenient communication This is true. Don’t have to beat the encryption if you’re on the device. | 11:05:21 |
| Niklas | In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
Goverments will just hack your device if they have to and sadly it becomes more common
It's almost impossible to have really secure convenient communication doesn't mean they won't try to get data from providers but still, it's a thing for stuff like whatsapp | 11:05:29 |
| appleseed21 | * In reply to @n1kl4s:mozilla.org
Goverments will just hack your device if they have to and sadly it becomes more common
It's almost impossible to have really secure convenient communication This is true. Don’t have to beat the encryption if you’re on the device. | 11:06:11 |
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 TomasEkeli | does the proton calendar support caldav? | 17:44:04 |
| TomasEkeli | i'd like to use it from thunderbird, you see | 17:44:21 |
| 1 Aug 2021 |
 Julian Fairfax | It does not | 09:38:22 |
