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21 Jan 2021
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louispitingolo: Is there anything above that line that starts with #0?

Did you try adding the following to the top of your LocalSettings.php like Bryan Hilderbrand suggested:

error_reporting( -1 );
ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 );
$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
$wgShowSQLErrors = true;
22:46:32
22 Jan 2021
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@bryandamon:matrix.orgBryan Hilderbrand AWS announces forks of Elasticsearch and Kibana 07:05:05
@revi:revi.xyzrevi(Some popcorn meme) it's becoming funny to see who wins in the end :-p07:06:29
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseVue.js and MediaWiki: https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2021/01/22/2020-the-year-in-vue/19:40:15
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseDo any of you all use $wgSharedDB to share the user table between multiple wikis?19:56:10
@hexmode:matrix.orghexmode I have not used it, Does MEZA? freephile darenwelsh ? 20:03:51
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephileMeza uses it 20:10:16
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephileIf you specify a 'primary wiki' it sets up wgSharedDB20:10:36
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseAnd presumably it is still working?20:13:10
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephilepresumably, but I don't think it's well documented, or used20:13:55
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephile revansx: used this at some point 20:14:15
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseApparently that feature was deprecated in 2012, and I heard a suggestion that it be removed. I'm quite sure I've heard of folks using it more recently than that. But, the developer thinks it has been broken for ages. I would like some confirmation if it has been used recently.20:15:59
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephileAnecdotally I can say that I /think/ I tried using it once and it seemed broken so I never got far with it.20:29:39
@freephile:matrix.orgfreephile(that was at least a couple years ago)20:30:25
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseThanks for the feedback!21:14:20
@revansx:matrix.orgrevansx
In reply to @freephile:matrix.org
revansx: used this at some point
I tested it (wgSharedDB) with MEZA 2 years ago and it worked, but I didn't like it and re-build my site without it. Sadly I don't think I can ever use cross-wiki notification unless I somehow convert back to wgSharedDB. that sucks
22:41:16
23 Jan 2021
@tgr:matrix.orgtgr cicalese: I thought it was used pretty widely? Wikimedia wikis use CentralAuth and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth explicitly recommends people to use $wgSharedDB instead. (Also this is the first time I hear it's deprecated - whoever did it apparently haven't bothered to update the wiki page.) 02:11:30
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicalese@tgr I was surprised, too, since I thought there were people using it, which is why I asked. Upon further discussion, there is no intention to deprecate it at this point.02:30:26
@tgr:matrix.orgtgr To be fair, it is a big hack, and something like RenameUser will make it explode in your face. But having SSO is a very reasonable user expectation and I don't think there is a better approach today. Hopefully we'll find the resources some day to make a sane CentralAuth replacement - there would be plenty of first-party reasons to do it. 03:04:46
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicalese Absolutely. 03:07:18
@cicalese:matrix.orgcicaleseI'll add that having a shared user table or CentralAuth are not necessary for many of the frequent commenters in this group because they use PluggableAuth (or other authentication extension) that uses an external identity provider to give a shared username across wikis in their wiki farms. This does not give users the same user id across wikis, but that is mostly irrelevant to them.15:23:53
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@hexmode:matrix.orghexmodeGrant Ingersoll (above) is WMF (and former Lucidworks CTO) and has some thoughts on ElasticSearch.18:57:02
@hexmode:matrix.orghexmodehttps://twitter.com/gsingers/status/135263025463280025718:57:20
@hexmode:matrix.orghexmodeBest bit so far: "[Elasticsearch] want[s] all the upside w/ none of the risk."19:00:52
@hexmode:matrix.orghexmode * Grant Ingersoll (above) is WMF (and former Lucidworks CTO) and has some thoughts on ElasticSearch.19:03:36
24 Jan 2021
@tgr:matrix.orgtgr
In reply to @cicalese:matrix.org
I'll add that having a shared user table or CentralAuth are not necessary for many of the frequent commenters in this group because they use PluggableAuth (or other authentication extension) that uses an external identity provider to give a shared username across wikis in their wiki farms. This does not give users the same user id across wikis, but that is mostly irrelevant to them.
Shared tables give you central email management, which external login might not. Not a huge deal but nice.
01:47:37
@tgr:matrix.orgtgrAs for user ID, any functionality were identical IDs accross wikis might be useful should use CentralIDLookup which does work with external identity providers.01:48:31
@revansx:matrix.orgrevansx I don’t know why cross-site notifications isn’t more of a thing. That’s the only reason I’d want to have shared tables. 05:17:18

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