| 8 Nov 2019 |
 fred | Yes it is the reason and you are right to point that. We will prefer open source and free software and tools, when it is possible. | 15:16:43 |
 yala | There is also the point that free VoIP/video calling does not seem to scale well for a high number of participants. | 15:17:27 |
| yala | And people have varying experiences with Jitsi, depending on the instance, it's load and how recently it has been updated. We cannot judge users for using old computers, for example. | 15:18:10 |
 natacha | In fact if I were to choose, I prefer to use text means then feeding surveillance capitalism, just checked on exodus this zoom thing accesses almost everything it can on your phone. I think if we want the commons to exist we should nourish them. | 15:18:35 |
| natacha | I use old computer, never had any problem with jitsi only maybe some comfort problems but can we really call this problem | 15:19:19 |
| natacha | anyways, I will have to follow the notes because zoom does not work on my system: Devuan | 15:21:26 |
| natacha | probably an issue with system D | 15:21:48 |
| yala | Radical 😉 | 15:24:13 |
| natacha | not my fault sorry | 15:24:24 |
| yala | I can understand your confusion and am witnessing a sense of pragmatism, where people simply go with what works for them. Indeed it takes courage and experience to differentiate the various offers we are using in our daily digital lives. And to make choices upon political considerations also means one allows oneself to step back a little from convenient consumerist culture, which advances so quickly. That'd be the little bit of degrowth within the Commons, I guess. | 15:29:44 |
| * yala finished translating the French agenda points into English. Am not happy to do so for Spanish, since I cannot evaluate the outcome. | 15:30:34 |
| natacha | I agree with you @yal | 15:34:06 |
| natacha | * I agree with you @yala | 15:34:17 |
| natacha | I simply cannot install it that's why I say its not my fault | 15:34:54 |
| natacha | I can translate in spanish although not my original language so please revise after me who can | 15:35:39 |
| yala | I have been copy and pasting from deepl.com | 15:36:03 |
| yala | that should work quickly and is easy to correct for s/o who speeks that language | 15:36:15 |
| yala | natacha: Can you try if you could maybe join via the web zoom? https://zoom.us/wc/join/654013895?pwd= | 15:36:35 |
| fred | natacha: I understand your position. There are alternatives to proprietary software to explore more deeply (such as moodle?) and continiusly. It is something to do in parallele of the work. Concretly you can also access to the room call by phone number or by the web without using the zoom app. | 15:38:12 |
| yala | See you in 90' | 15:39:42 |
| natacha | thx yala fred I will do this | 15:40:06 |
| natacha | fred: do you mean mumble https://www.mumble.com/ I think its great | 15:42:33 |
| yala | Mumble feels like jumping back right into the 1980ies; I hadn't even been born in the beg. of that decade ... | 15:45:29 |
| natacha | maybe but it works good... | 15:46:09 |
| yala | Just trolling .. | 16:09:12 |
| natacha | hello I have joined the call from my phone | 17:14:59 |
| yala | Ah, that is you. Good to know. | 17:24:04 |
| yala | Can you join via web to send your video? | 17:24:34 |
| yala | In reply to @ya:matrix.allmende.io
natacha: Can you try if you could maybe join via the web zoom? https://zoom.us/wc/join/654013895?pwd= ^^ | 17:24:44 |
| natacha | yes didn't feel to interumpt to present myself | 17:24:55 |
