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Long room name or topic description discussion. Pros and cons. Issues with different applications and user interface clients. Wish for developers? Expandable and collapsible fields and maybe even a possibility to choose your preferred view modes.

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Long topic description or room name pros & cons. ••• Room is "logged" & "World Readable": https://view.matrix.org/alias/%23long:matrix.org •••• Cons: Riot [desktop?] only has two visual lines, anything after that is not visible, even if we try to "scroll". [mobile app has scrolling there] If there are many many words in the subsequent lines, all this is redundant info. also it means in room directories [desktop] it takes up a whole page [mobile app limits shown info about rooms to be equal with all] It isn't possible to expand and collapse these fields or set your default view preferences. Until this is fixed long names and descriptions might annoy users? Pros: You can have access to more relevant information for the room straight in the room name and description. Room might be found by more interested users if there are more relevant key words. 4 Servers

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10 Jan 2019
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20 Jan 2019
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16:18:56@jackboy:matrix.orgjacker Hi
16:18:58@jackboy:matrix.orgjacker What's this
17:21:46@jackboy:matrix.orgjacker changed their display name from jacker to coconut.
17:24:29@jackboy:matrix.orgjacker changed their display name from coconut to jacker.
18:01:34@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦: jacker: Don't also screen-puke in this resource for others! You saw me describe why others should come here. And, just like everyone else, you can read the room name, and read the damn scrollback.
18:01:58@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦:neoabo: ^↑^
18:10:36@BobaMa:matrix.orgneoaboJust bringing awareness to how different clients handle long room names and descriptions and suggesting to make clients handle those nicely.
18:14:50@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦:Yeah, unfortunately, they do not even try to read the room names, topics, or scrollback.
18:48:23@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦:

neoabo: I'm told in Riot-Web/Electron, <control>+<0> "zero" reveals a long topic. I'll be mobile for a while. Can you, or anyone else confirm?

Screenshots might be nice.

20:13:14@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦: I got some clarification. Seems "Ctrl + zero is a chrome thing for zoom". And I don't do Google® Chrome™.
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14 Feb 2019
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21:56:03@grin:grin.hugrinWell RiotWeb gives anything long for hover popup, at least the latest and greatest 1.0.0. I am actually able to reduce the size of the sidebars and use hover if I'm getting curious.
21:56:54@grin:grin.hugrin Even while I find names like MilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦: extremely against æsthetics.
15 Feb 2019
00:20:18@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦:

Someone wrote some custom CSS to alter the behaviour for long Display Names and I suggested they file a PR. But that's outside the intended topical scope of this room, AFAIK.

As to that, New Vector and a supposed Matrix(.)org Foundation could put in the spec' and NV's Riot products™, an extended HTML topic, just as they do with the "flair"/communities/groups. Topics are still difficult to read on mobile phones.

08:46:54@grin:grin.hugrin (I have observed a strong on-topic-obsession on your part, which may be unhealthy in the long run. I have no problem with that, just mentioning since it so much sticks out, seeing your easily recognisable alias around.)
08:48:06@grin:grin.hugrin As for sticking to the topic I still believe such overly long aliases are abuse of the screen space, like when I quote anything to you, MilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦: .
08:49:40@grin:grin.hugrinStill, Riot now seem to handle it pretty well and I'm happy not to see more in the default view. I'm not against theming, I will just not use it (as probably most of us wouldn't).
11:02:14@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦:

First learn the difference between an "Alias" and a "Display Name" before you try to lecture those of us who have literally been on this ecosystem for YEARS and built communities on here.

This room is to help newbies learn how to read a long topic, not for anyone's soap-box ranting. There is good information, above in the scrollback, despite that.

11:06:07@grin:grin.hugrin Exactly what I was talking about, thanks for providing the example. In fact, you're completely missing the point how to talk to newbies. You are attacking people not phrasing things the way you want it. Also you are debating based on your own superiority. None of those help communication with strangers. And as a full disclosure I've seen and accidentally started "a few" communities in the past decades. And I'm also an arrogant asshole, before you rush to point it out.
11:07:52@grin:grin.hugrinAnd my point was not lecture you, and not to despise you but to share the view youo may not observe by yourself. If you were already aware that then it was not really necessary, and let's skip it; I see a high probability that you are not fully aware how offensive you are.
11:11:15@MilkManzJourDaddy:matrix.orgMilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali] 💥🔨 Castigare troglodytam. Malleo pugnae aviditate. 🌊👋🙋\o 💥🔨 ZFG 🙌 ™¦¶␍ ↵␤↘↦: Good job further filling the scrollnack with your bloody SJW drivel. You are not special, snoflake. No trophy for your screen-puke. "Offended"? Good. Welcome to the real world.
11:14:45@grin:grin.hugrin Suprise, I'm not offended. I would gladly discuss with you how you imagine matrix to be used since you seem to have somewhat unusual ideas about that. You seem to believe this is like a web-based forum, or some kind of QA webpage, but I am pretty sure (even for a special snowflake) that people wouldn't use it that way, despite your quite arrogant and often repeated wishes.
11:17:35@grin:grin.hugrinNot here though.
16 Feb 2019
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