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23 Sep 2023
@natrius:matrix.orgNegrehebPerfect post to discuss in a forum :D 09:54:23
@Vonter:matrix.orgVonter
In reply to @uknown:matrix.org
I see a lot of highway=residential being converted to highway=service by Ola, could we discuss if this is appropriate? highway=service is only for denoting roads which provide access to individual services (like petrol bunks) or for fire access, driveways, etc. It doesn't really make sense to mark residential roads inside gated communities as highway=service, especially in larger gated communities, or even larger tech parks. Even in other countries the same tagging rules seem to apply, where highway=service is reserved for roads providing services. The access tag is already denoting if a road is public or not, so I don't think changing the road type is necessary too
IMO highway=living_street should be used for almost all roads in gated communities (both if it's apartments or single-family homes)
In business/industrial parks it would be a combination of highway=residential and highway=service roads depending on the layout of the road network internal to the business/industrial park.
11:07:05
@uknown:matrix.orguknown
In reply to @Vonter:matrix.org
IMO highway=living_street should be used for almost all roads in gated communities (both if it's apartments or single-family homes)
In business/industrial parks it would be a combination of highway=residential and highway=service roads depending on the layout of the road network internal to the business/industrial park.
living_street implies pedestrian priority roads, its meant for a legal designation. But in some countries its also used to designate narrow roads. It doesn't really apply to roads inside gated communities - these are the same as any non-gated community road, they're just access=private. For industrial/business parks, the wiki does suggest this, but different countries seem to choose different schemes. For e.g. in the Netherlands I found highway=unclasified being used instead of residential
11:11:42
@uknown:matrix.orguknown With larger business parks becoming popular it makes sense to even use highway=tertiary/secondary depending on the exact situation 11:12:24
@Vonter:matrix.orgVonter
In reply to @uknown:matrix.org
living_street implies pedestrian priority roads, its meant for a legal designation. But in some countries its also used to designate narrow roads. It doesn't really apply to roads inside gated communities - these are the same as any non-gated community road, they're just access=private. For industrial/business parks, the wiki does suggest this, but different countries seem to choose different schemes. For e.g. in the Netherlands I found highway=unclasified being used instead of residential
I'm curious if there are any pedestrian priority roads in India? Even Church Street, which is what I think is the closest to a pedestrian priority road in Bangalore, has been tagged as highway=residential with highway=footway ways tagged on both sides of the actual road.
11:17:13
@nlbrt:matrix.orgNLBRT.
In reply to @Vonter:matrix.org
I'm curious if there are any pedestrian priority roads in India? Even Church Street, which is what I think is the closest to a pedestrian priority road in Bangalore, has been tagged as highway=residential with highway=footway ways tagged on both sides of the actual road.
Legally, nein
11:19:05
@uknown:matrix.orguknown
In reply to @Vonter:matrix.org
I'm curious if there are any pedestrian priority roads in India? Even Church Street, which is what I think is the closest to a pedestrian priority road in Bangalore, has been tagged as highway=residential with highway=footway ways tagged on both sides of the actual road.
Church street was supposed to be the first proper living_street, but that proposal got shot down by local shop owners in favour of the current design, with a wide central lane and street side parking. Commercial street would have been another first but was also shot down for similar reasons. Gandhi Baazar was supposed to be highway=pedestrian but we know how that went. Chickpet is for all intents and purposes a collection of living_streets, but I don't think its legally designated as such
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@uknown:matrix.orguknownIDK about pedestrians but apparently church street allows horses12:09:35
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@telegram_1285545320:t2bot.ioreueld
In reply to @uknown:matrix.org
I see a lot of highway=residential being converted to highway=service by Ola, could we discuss if this is appropriate? highway=service is only for denoting roads which provide access to individual services (like petrol bunks) or for fire access, driveways, etc. It doesn't really make sense to mark residential roads inside gated communities as highway=service, especially in larger gated communities, or even larger tech parks. Even in other countries the same tagging rules seem to apply, where highway=service is reserved for roads providing services. The access tag is already denoting if a road is public or not, so I don't think changing the road type is necessary too
Yeah, we have discussed this before on the group. Devdatta explained the hierarchy they are using in Ola.
16:15:37
@uknown:matrix.orguknown
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Yeah, we have discussed this before on the group. Devdatta explained the hierarchy they are using in Ola.
My concern is that we're mixing access and highway tags. There's no need to change highway=residential to highway=service, which is why I'm bringing it up again
16:53:38
@telegram_1285545320:t2bot.ioreueld
In reply to @uknown:matrix.org
I see a lot of highway=residential being converted to highway=service by Ola, could we discuss if this is appropriate? highway=service is only for denoting roads which provide access to individual services (like petrol bunks) or for fire access, driveways, etc. It doesn't really make sense to mark residential roads inside gated communities as highway=service, especially in larger gated communities, or even larger tech parks. Even in other countries the same tagging rules seem to apply, where highway=service is reserved for roads providing services. The access tag is already denoting if a road is public or not, so I don't think changing the road type is necessary too
I agree though. Highway=service should be retained for service. I've seen a bunch of roads mapped in rural areas as highway=service . Seems like remote mappers. So I don't know how they are tagging that as service without local knowledge.
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@telegram_689581099:t2bot.ioVonter TIL there is a Street Complete Expert Edition app
https://github.com/Helium314/SCEE/blob/modified/README.md#differences-to-streetcomplete

Main difference is additional quests and a more customizable UI/UX.
03:28:38
@telegram_689581099:t2bot.ioVonter And Organic Maps will understand/avoid access=military from the next public release
https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/pull/6077
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@telegram_1383441968:t2bot.ioNilabrata Sanyal
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And Organic Maps will understand/avoid access=military from the next public release
https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/pull/6077
just waiting for the next update to actually happen
06:49:22
@telegram_1383441968:t2bot.ioNilabrata Sanyalit's been over a month and I'm REALLY excited to see how places looks like now06:49:50
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