| 28 Nov 2022 |
 Sylvia | The Dutch government sadly ignored the issue tracker for their covid app completely | 13:54:04 |
 Mathias_ | https://f-droid.org/de/packages/de.corona.tracing/ | 13:54:06 |
| Sylvia | As I understood it the German covid app only managed to land due to the Open Source community tearing Google Play Services out, upstream didn't. Unless I missed something | 13:55:41 |
| Mathias_ | upstream didn't remove Google Play Services, indeed. But at least they didn't actively sabotage that fork and made sure the removal was possible. I filed a bug report on that app not because of Google Play Services but because of a rather ridicolous repeating warning if a phone was "rooted" | 13:57:41 |
| Mathias_ | after a meaningful conversation about the pros and cons, they agreed to show the warning only once and make it deativatable for people running the app on a phone with, for example, LineageOS | 13:58:31 |
| Sylvia | Fair enough, the Dutch one never responded at all to those who actually worked on making it fully libre | 13:58:57 |
| Sylvia | So that is definitely the right direction in the German app | 13:59:13 |
| Sylvia | And it is unreasonable to expect perfection from day 1 :) | 13:59:27 |
| Sylvia | Glad to hear about their willingness to discuss and figure stuff out | 14:00:00 |
| Mathias_ | it is the exception, rather than the norm. | 14:00:25 |
| Sylvia | Sadly for now it is, let's hope the proposal is the start of a change of the norm in the right direction :) | 14:01:03 |
| Mathias_ | my first request regarding all of these EU Commission apps was about 4 years ago | 14:01:40 |
| Sylvia | Sounds like it was a lot of work | 14:02:15 |
| Mathias_ | and then, over time, I decided that this would be the pet peeve I would be willing to spend time on getting it fixed | 14:02:28 |
| Mathias_ | Sylvia: truth be told, some things could have happened faster. It is not a question of work but rather of prioritisation | 14:03:07 |
| Mathias_ | I am completely unfamiliar with f-droid except for being an infrequent user of the app in order to get some software for my phone | 14:04:15 |
| Sylvia | Regardless, thank you a lot for moving this forward. The way the EU wants to punish Google and Apple for their monopolistic behaviour while enabling it like this was always something that annoyed me too so any step in the right direction is great to see | 14:04:26 |
| Sylvia | Well, if you have any questions on F-Droid I'm sure people will be happy to answer :) | 14:05:01 |
| Mathias_ | I am especially unfamiliar with the governing structures. If someone was familiar with both programming and f-droid, it might be helpful for them to reach out to the Commission to make sure this project does not do any unintended damage | 14:05:36 |
| Sylvia | The only damaging action I can imagine is if they set up their own F-Droid repo and say the apps are "on F-Droid" as that would mislead many users about the nature of how open the EU apps are, but that's it. For governing, I'd say _hc is the right person for that so... ping :P | 14:07:35 |
| Mathias_ | if I understand IRC customs correctly, jochensp pinged _hc on that issue 30 lines ago | 14:10:02 |
| Mathias_ | it' | 14:10:11 |
| Mathias_ | it's been about 15 years since I last used irc regularly | 14:10:39 |
| Sylvia | I wonder if connecting over Matrix gives me an excuse to not be super aware of IRC customs ^^" | 14:11:37 |
| Mathias_ | https://xkcd.com/1782/ might apply here. | 14:12:31 |
| Sylvia | It definitely is applicable to the F-Droid team too yes :P | 14:13:11 |
| Mathias_ | I will be gone soon, heading to a local school board meeting (the world needs bugfixes on the macro and on the local level) If someone is reading this later: I can be reached via mathias.schindler@gmail.com and I am happy to help with possible introductions | 14:14:05 |
| Mathias_ | twitter @presroi / mastodon @mathias@gruene.social | 14:14:33 |
| Sylvia | Have a nice day and thanks for dropping in :) | 14:14:37 |
| Mathias_ | thanks, you too | 14:14:50 |
