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10 Jul 2020
@diniyar:sibnsk.netdiniyar joined the room.21:21:26
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasit looks experimental but it's pretty cool23:22:49
11 Jul 2020
@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar Gústafsson
In reply to @bbigras:matrix.org
so it's possible to use dendrite and riotx on android but we need to add "r0.5.0" and "r0.6.0" to https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/abf26c12f1a97fd2894a0509de9cf4a91c79d3ab/clientapi/routing/routing.go#L79 . I run dendrite with nix-on-droid but termux should work too. and the account needs to be created another way than with riotx. I used riot web.
I tried that a while back, but once I logged in nothing worked
07:40:09
@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar Gústafssonhttps://github.com/LiHRaM/matrix-aau/issues/1 tracks my efforts there07:40:57
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@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras Hilmar Gústafsson: I wonder if dendrite now support the lazy loading, if something changed on the riotx side. But it does work right now with riotx?
You were able to use normal riot? It crashes when I try to select the room.
15:03:33
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@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar GústafssonNice! They work fast, I guess :)15:18:09
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasI still needed to add the fake versions and create my account another way than using riotx. but it's prety sweet15:26:26
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras Hilmar Gústafsson and neilalexander: I made this https://github.com/bbigras/nix-matrix-yggdrasil. It's just an easy way to run dendrite-demo-yggdrasil using Nix. Since I use NixOS but nix is also usable on every Linux, macos and Android with nix-on-droid. With this I have an automated systemd service running as my user on my desktop and laptop. And I can install the demo on Android with one command. 17:09:24
@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar GústafssonAm a big fan of nix myself, nice!17:09:58
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@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasyeah I love nix too. I made this to make it simpler to run as a service but then also as an excuse to play with github actions and cachix.17:10:41
@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar GústafssonSo you're using nix-on-droid to install on Android?17:10:47
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasyes. I use nix-on-droid instead of termux as an android terminal.17:11:10
@lihram:matrix.orgHilmar GústafssonHuh, did not know you could use patch files that way17:21:59
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasYeah it's useful when making packages. A lot of software needs tweak for nix. Optionals are pretty cool too.17:25:44
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@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras neilalexander: is dendrite-p2p-ygg-yggdrasil.sock still exposed? I don't see it. I wanted to do the get-peers thing again just for fun 18:59:22
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras maybe I need to set AdminListen 19:04:29
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasthe config file seems to be reset every time I restart dendrite. I'll try again later.19:10:03
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander
In reply to @bbigras:matrix.org
neilalexander: is dendrite-p2p-ygg-yggdrasil.sock still exposed? I don't see it. I wanted to do the get-peers thing again just for fun
I don’t believe so, I think we overwrite AdminListen on startup at the moment
19:22:09
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasThanks19:23:29
12 Jul 2020
@kb1rd:kb1rd.netKB1RDIs presence enabled on P2P (iOS, in this case)?00:31:07
@kegan:matrix.orgKeganNo07:50:30
13 Jul 2020
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15 Jul 2020
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras neilalexander: there seem to be a bug with the demo where it's not sync until we send a msg. on my laptop I was lagging behind a tiny bit. I sent "." and then I got the 2 missings msgs 01:37:47
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander
In reply to @bbigras:matrix.org
neilalexander: there seem to be a bug with the demo where it's not sync until we send a msg. on my laptop I was lagging behind a tiny bit. I sent "." and then I got the 2 missings msgs
This is a known issue. There’s no real way yet to know which nodes are active on the network at a given moment so the federation sender relies on either a) blindly retrying or b) getting something from someone else which we use as a wake up signal. This is still an area of work to be done
08:09:12
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander If you have communicated with another node recently then things should go through pretty quickly. If that node has been down for a while then other nodes will back off exponentially on retries, so at that point receiving a new message from that node would reset the backoff and retry sends 08:10:06
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander We can maybe help to kick things forward by having nodes send a wake up EDU into joined rooms when they start, but it’s a bit of a sledgehammer approach 08:12:21

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