In reply to @joreg:matrix.org
u7angel: absolutely. even after we release it, it will need some time to get going. that's why i am really thinking at this point we should focus on the many other things that VL can already benefit everyone today. in beta and gamma.

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it is absolutely totally fine to do beta workshop at node. we always said so. if someone proposes them and some will subscribe to them, they will happen.

so the main problem regarding the 3d engine is that we cannot say when exactly it will be available. obviously our goal is to release something useful as soon as possible but i see how such a general expression of intent doesn't solve any of the confusion. so let me try another attempt, looking at NODE17 dx11 based workshops. here is my optimistic thinking about how things could work out if all goes to plan.

the following should be well suited for teaching with vvvv gamma using VL.Stride. we should manage to release in time so that early adopters will have enough time to dive into it so they can run such workshops. these level of workshops should actually be much simpler to teach:

• 3d basics & building interaction
• intro to dx11 rendering
• openvr beginners
• kinect beginners
• cccc4d
• really vvvvirtual
• automotive UI prototyping
• bullet physics
• videofx & compositing

with the following, ideally it doesn't matter in what tool they are taught, because it is more about concepts that once understood can be applied to different tools. ideally though they can also be run with VL.Stride:

• dx11 shaders upper intermediate
• advanced dx11 shading
• compute shaders
• marching rays

then we had this range of workshops that were based on quite elaborate vvvv beta contributions. equivalents of those will most likely not be available in time. will these be obsolete once VL.Stride is out? i doubt so. it will still be valuable to learn about those and get inspired by their concepts. these are proven stable tools that may give some more certainty than our optimistic thinking about the future with VL.Stride:

• procedural noise
• instance noodles
• dx11.particles
• pbr rendering with fbxv4
• forward+
• superphong
• triangle, tetgen, dope
• projection mapping

and finally this range where it was probably less about learning vvvv as a tool but playing with it. so also with these kinds it doesn't really matter if beta or gamma:

• cutting & folding paper
• 3d printing
• multiuser VR
• radical bodies - dance in vr

obviously i don't know the details of all workshops so the above may not work out exactly as i hope here. but does this help in any way?

Amazing list. Makes a lot of sense when you put it in proper context with the general principles like that.

There's definitely enough topics to go around, now just to get to them :)