| 24 Mar 2021 |
 n8fr8 | https://twitter.com/n8fr8/status/1374368998188584962 | 17:21:06 |
| n8fr8 | I was thinking of doing it again just for our podcast / channels. I am sorely behind on media production of course, but it is happening, it truly is! | 17:21:41 |
| n8fr8 | also gina_h we started a public tracker for underway and potential CI implementations: https://gitlab.com/cleaninsights/cleaninsights-implementations/-/issues | 17:22:26 |
| n8fr8 | (it is not so great to use the "CI" shorthand, since that also means continuous integration so we need to come up with something better) | 17:23:18 |
 gina_h | In reply to @n8fr8:matrix.org
also gina_h we started a public tracker for underway and potential CI implementations: https://gitlab.com/cleaninsights/cleaninsights-implementations/-/issues seven in progress! That's great :) | 17:24:29 |
| n8fr8 | Will be adding more detail on each once we get all our various threads and notes together | 17:24:58 |
| 25 Mar 2021 |
 @eighthave:matrix.org | anyone have any experience with Plausible? Seems to be a bootstrapped company with a similar focus as Clean Insights: https://plausible.io/ seems to be open source too https://github.com/plausible | 08:48:36 |
| @eighthave:matrix.org | I feel like we might have discussed them already | 08:48:57 |
 irl | i used to use plausible until they threw all the toys out of the pram when someone starting offering hosted versions of their service commercially | 08:49:31 |
| n8fr8 | I had looked at them as well for sure, and still am interested in integrating client side libraries into other compatible backends/services | 08:50:41 |
| n8fr8 | (working on proposals and reports here while its quiet in the morning and before I go to the ocean) | 08:51:14 |
| irl | for the data it collects, it is an improvement over matomo and the dashboard would make more sense to users, but it's still aiming to collect individual events not aggregates | 08:52:15 |
| irl | they did not have an api when we were initially looking at matomo | 08:52:37 |
| irl | only the javascript tracking code | 08:52:47 |
| irl | but swapping out BSD/MIT licensed code for AGPL without much warning put me right off. you can argue that AGPL would then mean I have to release the source code of the entire website on request just because I embed the tracking code. | 08:54:03 |
| irl | that's just liability I don't want to have to deal with, especially from an organisation that is more committed to profit than it is to free software. | 08:55:17 |
|  Abel [old account - do not use] changed their display name from Abel to abel. | 11:57:52 |
| Abel [old account - do not use] changed their display name from abel to Abel. | 12:53:40 |
| gina_h | The Markup is working on building their own version of analytics -- I reached out to them about Clean Insights but so far no response | 15:42:12 |
| 31 Mar 2021 |
| n8fr8 | We've got a new video up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT6LmCTpQ4k and a tweet about it here: https://twitter.com/guardianproject/status/1377351643407085568 | 20:07:19 |
| 2 Apr 2021 |
| gina_h | In reply to @n8fr8:matrix.org
We've got a new video up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT6LmCTpQ4k and a tweet about it here: https://twitter.com/guardianproject/status/1377351643407085568 Nathan has a very Mr. Rogers vibe in this video. 😀 | 14:27:19 |
|  simonft joined the room. | 16:49:15 |
| simonft | Hello! I work at The Markup, where we've been exploring building privacy-preserving analytics, with goals that seem to align nicely with clean insights. | 16:50:43 |
| n8fr8 | Welcome, simonft :) In this room from the team is threeletteracronym and irl our lead developers on the SDKs and infrastructure, crwinfrey our consent UX lead, and a bunch of the rest of the team and community | 16:52:47 |
| n8fr8 | Glad you're already on this path. Was the intent of your project just as a tool for your own site/needs, or to create something general purpose? Is it for measuring web interaction, apps, both? | 16:53:34 |
| simonft | The intention is first and foremost for our own site/needs, but the thinking is that if there's not something that really fits our needs and we're going to have to build some stuff on our own we may as well make it something others can use as well. | 16:55:46 |
| simonft | And we're just interested in web interaction right now, as we don't have any mobile apps | 16:56:24 |
| simonft | We've been in the requirements gathering stage for a while, though I'm hoping we'll have something reasonably solid on that front soon | 16:57:32 |
| n8fr8 | Got it. We have 3 things that could be relevant: 1) Our JS SDK which was originally designed for Node and React apps, but that we are packaging now for easier integration with the web 2) Our Python SDK which could be integrated server side (along with our JS SDK if you are using Node), and then 3) our work on privacy preserving web logging, and how to import and analyze those | 16:57:54 |
| n8fr8 | Great. Would be happy to talk through that as well on a call sometime. The work we're doing with Consent UX, and trying to figure out how/when to ask for it, and what insights you are hoping to gain, and how you communicate the value of that to your audience, is a big piece of all of this. | 16:58:36 |
