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3 Apr 2021
@eighthave:matrix.org_hchi simonft, welcome! glad to have the publisher's perspective here. You might be interested in the comparison between the Clean Insights approach and differential privacy https://guardianproject.info/2021/03/02/new-insights-into-clean-analytics/11:18:44
@eighthave:matrix.org_hc in other Clean Insights news, Apple is rejecting apps with SDKs that do not get user consent https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/01/app-store-now-rejecting-apps-using-third-party-sdks-that-collect-user-data-without-consent/ 11:20:05
6 Apr 2021
@simonft:matrix.orgsimonft _hc: thanks for that comparison! 14:24:45
@simonft:matrix.orgsimonftDo people here have thoughts on Prio? https://www.abetterinternet.org/prio/14:25:07
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcClean Insights does various kinds of aggragation like is mentioned in that brief description. My first thought is that sounds like we have the same goals14:30:15
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcthey don't seem to have anything you can use yet14:30:29
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcit seems very focused on one specific part of the problem: the aggragation14:31:05
@simonft:matrix.orgsimonftyeah. https://github.com/abetterinternet/prio-server is a thing but there's not a lot more details on how to actually run it14:31:45
@simonft:matrix.orgsimonftthey reached out to us but I don't have much info about why14:31:55
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@eighthave:matrix.org_hcbased on their paper, their use case is more like differential privacy, where you assume that you're aiming to collect PII14:33:41
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcwe're trying to push analytics without gathering PII and see how far that can get us14:34:05
@simonft:matrix.orgsimonftWhen you talk about PII, does that include some sort of unique device identifiers for the device/user? E.g. I could imagine estimating uniques, or say pagevisits per user, without collecting or storing things like name, username, location14:42:22
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcyes unique IDs are PII 16:24:40
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcits really hard to gather a lot of data tied to a pseudonym, then keep it anonymous16:25:10
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcunless the types of data gathered is really restricted16:25:27
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcI mean they are probably not considered PII by GDPR, unless things are deanonymized.16:26:14
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcavoiding tracking people makes a lot of other things much easier16:26:34
@eighthave:matrix.org_hclike you can consider your data public, even if it is not actually published, then you really don't have much to worry about if the data gets leaked, dumped, hacked, etc.16:27:36
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcI think tracking people also is a slippery slope towards addictive design16:28:13
7 Apr 2021
@gina_h:matrix.orggina_hhttps://twitter.com/JuliaAngwin/status/137981211580085453415:29:27
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@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8Clean insights Fresh Incense!15:54:40
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8here's an interesting approach to branded merch: https://boingboing.net/2021/04/07/stylish-protestors-use-colorful-tools-to-smash-windows-at-barclays-london-hq.html16:56:45
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8"Extinction Rebellion could raise a lot of money selling branded window-breaking tools."16:56:56
@threeletteracronym:matrix.orgthreeletteracronym„Guardian Project - your provider of stylish riot gear“17:01:38
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8actually, was thinking maybe branded coffee and tea... caffeine stimulated insights!17:02:03
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8Yes, I've found it: https://myowncoffeebrand.com/private-label-coffee-supplier/ 19:47:25
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8Ethically sourced, Insight generating!19:47:41
@n8fr8:matrix.orgn8fr8or something like that.19:48:56

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