| 3 Apr 2021 |
 _hc | hi simonft, welcome! glad to have the publisher's perspective here. You might be interested in the comparison between the Clean Insights approach and differential privacy https://guardianproject.info/2021/03/02/new-insights-into-clean-analytics/ | 11:18:44 |
| _hc | in other Clean Insights news, Apple is rejecting apps with SDKs that do not get user consent https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/01/app-store-now-rejecting-apps-using-third-party-sdks-that-collect-user-data-without-consent/ | 11:20:05 |
| 6 Apr 2021 |
 simonft | _hc: thanks for that comparison! | 14:24:45 |
| simonft | Do people here have thoughts on Prio? https://www.abetterinternet.org/prio/ | 14:25:07 |
| _hc | Clean Insights does various kinds of aggragation like is mentioned in that brief description. My first thought is that sounds like we have the same goals | 14:30:15 |
| _hc | they don't seem to have anything you can use yet | 14:30:29 |
| _hc | it seems very focused on one specific part of the problem: the aggragation | 14:31:05 |
| simonft | yeah. https://github.com/abetterinternet/prio-server is a thing but there's not a lot more details on how to actually run it | 14:31:45 |
| simonft | they reached out to us but I don't have much info about why | 14:31:55 |
| _hc | ocumentation
Integration Guide for Android and iOS Applications (Coming Soon)
How to Operate a Data Share Processing System (Coming Soon)
| 14:32:06 |
| _hc | based on their paper, their use case is more like differential privacy, where you assume that you're aiming to collect PII | 14:33:41 |
| _hc | we're trying to push analytics without gathering PII and see how far that can get us | 14:34:05 |
| simonft | When you talk about PII, does that include some sort of unique device identifiers for the device/user? E.g. I could imagine estimating uniques, or say pagevisits per user, without collecting or storing things like name, username, location | 14:42:22 |
| _hc | yes unique IDs are PII | 16:24:40 |
| _hc | its really hard to gather a lot of data tied to a pseudonym, then keep it anonymous | 16:25:10 |
| _hc | unless the types of data gathered is really restricted | 16:25:27 |
| _hc | I mean they are probably not considered PII by GDPR, unless things are deanonymized. | 16:26:14 |
| _hc | avoiding tracking people makes a lot of other things much easier | 16:26:34 |
| _hc | like you can consider your data public, even if it is not actually published, then you really don't have much to worry about if the data gets leaked, dumped, hacked, etc. | 16:27:36 |
| _hc | I think tracking people also is a slippery slope towards addictive design | 16:28:13 |
| 7 Apr 2021 |
 gina_h | https://twitter.com/JuliaAngwin/status/1379812115800854534 | 15:29:27 |
 n8fr8 | 
Download cleanincense.jpg | 15:54:34 |
| n8fr8 | Clean insights Fresh Incense! | 15:54:40 |
| n8fr8 | here's an interesting approach to branded merch: https://boingboing.net/2021/04/07/stylish-protestors-use-colorful-tools-to-smash-windows-at-barclays-london-hq.html | 16:56:45 |
| n8fr8 | "Extinction Rebellion could raise a lot of money selling branded window-breaking tools." | 16:56:56 |
 threeletteracronym | „Guardian Project - your provider of stylish riot gear“ | 17:01:38 |
| n8fr8 | actually, was thinking maybe branded coffee and tea... caffeine stimulated insights! | 17:02:03 |
| n8fr8 | Yes, I've found it: https://myowncoffeebrand.com/private-label-coffee-supplier/ | 19:47:25 |
| n8fr8 | Ethically sourced, Insight generating! | 19:47:41 |
| n8fr8 | or something like that. | 19:48:56 |
