6 Mar 2023 |
Nathan Petrangelo | Just looked at the Basis webpage again, looks cleaner than how I last saw it lol | 16:36:06 |
Nathan Petrangelo |
Because the currency system is set up to not circulate the productive system, the basic income can be printed without taxation.
I think Modern Monetary Theory would argue that we already don’t need taxes for a basic income, but it would advocate other measures to control inflation. Through an MMT lens, the way currency doesn’t circulate effectively prevents inflation, I think. | 16:37:46 |
Nathan Petrangelo | My nb gf submitted a PR correcting a couple typos and they’d be delighted to see it accepted and merged in :) andrew | 18:05:53 |
Nathan Petrangelo | https://github.com/basisproject/basisproject.github.io/pull/1 | 18:06:00 |
andrew | done! | 18:07:22 |
Nathan Petrangelo | Is the CI pipeline broken? It doesn’t seem to be running | 18:20:21 |
Nathan Petrangelo | It didn’t start a deploy | 18:20:41 |
andrew | oh let me check | 18:28:34 |
andrew | oh it's because it's on metalsmith and i have to merge/build the publish branch by hand | 18:29:46 |
andrew | one sec | 18:29:48 |
andrew | 👍️ fixed | 18:40:18 |
7 Mar 2023 |
Nathan Petrangelo | I want to mention a couple projects since I looked over Basis again recently. Reticulum is the network stack to use when it’s ready, and the Dual Power App is exactly what Basis needs for Blocs and bloc voting | 06:55:56 |
Nathan Petrangelo | https://dualpower.app | 06:56:04 |
Nathan Petrangelo | * I want to mention a couple projects since I looked over Basis again recently. Reticulum is the network stack to use when it’s ready with secure optimized packet routing over a peer to peer network done for you, and the Dual Power App is exactly what Basis needs for Blocs and bloc voting | 06:57:06 |
Nathan Petrangelo | As it happens, Mark is just about done with Reticulum’s API in its reference implementation, and he’ll be looking at getting a C implementation going soonish, I think, and there’s also community hype for a Rust implementation, if you’re interested. | 07:09:56 |
8 Mar 2023 |
andrew | sef: finally got a chance to read through that page on libsoc planning. very interesting, and i like a lot of aspects of it. the CAP groups are particularly intriguing, that's an idea i've not seen before. overall, while the shape of the accounting/economics Basis is different, these two systems seem to have similar methods. i'd say something like CAP could be really useful in Basis for setting costs on resources/processes that are known to be harmful. the working idea is to have some form of continuous democratic referendum on each tracked resource/process to decide how harmful/scarce/etc it is. while it represents some form of centralization (which i'm not ideologically opposed to), having something like a CAP group deciding these costs based on expert knowledge might be more effective than having every single person decide.
it seems to me the system being described here would actually be a great candidate for running on top of Basis...you woudln't need some central logging of all transactions, because that's built into the protocol's fabric, and the accounting system works in observable values instead of information-destroying mechanisms like prices.
| 03:54:52 |
andrew | Nathan Petrangelo: i agree that bloc voting should be handled out-of-protocol by something else, and from what i know of Dual Power App it would fit the bill nicely!
regarding reticulum, i don't think i've heard of it until now (or if so it was a while ago). it looks like a really cool project. i'm curious where this fits in next to something like libp2p...they are both kind of encrypted overlay p2p networking libraries. any sense on how far reticulum is? i think there would have to be a rust lib before i could truly evaluate it.
| 04:00:49 |
andrew | * Nathan Petrangelo: i agree that bloc voting should be handled out-of-protocol by something else, and from what i know of Dual Power App it would fit the bill nicely!
regarding reticulum, i don't think i've heard of it until now (or if so it was a while ago). it looks like a really cool project. i'm curious where this fits in next to something like libp2p...they are both kind of encrypted overlay p2p networking libraries. any sense on how far reticulum is? i think there would have to be a rust lib (or an easy to interface C lib) before i could truly evaluate it.
| 04:03:03 |
andrew | that said, i'm like a ways off from needing it just yet, so maybe there will be time. i have some stuff to work out in stamp first, then it's onto the main implementation of basis :) | 04:04:12 |
10 Mar 2023 |
| harleyxerxes joined the room. | 17:08:37 |
11 Mar 2023 |
Nathan Petrangelo | Idk how much work has been done on this, but Harley and I were discussing the potential for blocs to lie about costs to artificially get more funding and this being a kind of inflation. We thought there should be some kind of auditing, taking inspiration from the open source cybersecurity community. | 02:42:33 |
Nathan Petrangelo | Wait, actually, if the costs are disaggregate, the only way to lie about costs requires you to lie about the materials, so you wouldn’t end up with more funding per se, you’d end up with more materials, which, if you didn’t actually need them, would be kinda useless, so maybe there’s no incentive after all? | 02:45:34 |
Nathan Petrangelo | The system could ensure that credits are spent precisely according to the disaggregate cost list | 02:49:11 |
Nathan Petrangelo | * The system could ensure that funding is spent precisely according to the disaggregate cost list | 02:49:26 |
Nathan Petrangelo | Ooh, what if the items in the disaggregate list referred not to the materials directly, but instead to their suppliers? | 02:51:57 |
Nathan Petrangelo | * Ooh, what if the items in the disaggregate list referred not to the materials directly, but instead to a supplier’s product line? | 02:53:12 |
Nathan Petrangelo | * Ooh, what if the items in the disaggregate list referred not to the materials directly, but instead to suppliers’ product lines? | 02:53:32 |
Nathan Petrangelo | That makes the whole supply chain very transparent | 02:54:17 |
Nathan Petrangelo | You’d still have to something special for raw materials though | 02:56:41 |
Nathan Petrangelo | * You’d still have to something special for raw materials though, the base case suppliers | 02:56:58 |