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Open Hospitality Network (ohn)

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Welcome traveller! Here we chat about federating hospitality exchange platforms. Pls, consider making an #introduction of yourself if you are new to this room. See https://openhospitality.network for more info. (bridged to tg)40 Servers

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19 Sep 2022
@me:chagai.websiteChagaihttps://shvil.fandom.com/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%90%D7%9B%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9C_%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C19:01:57
20 Sep 2022
@mariha:matrix.orgmariha
In reply to @pukkamustard:matrix.org
Hello! I'm working towards a demo of GeoPub and have just added an example to add a Hosplitaity exchange offer using the ValueFlows vocabulary:
Thanks for sharing pukkamustard! I think it's super interesting what you are doing and I wander if you'd find some time to have a chat, possibly also with mrkvon and maybe someone from Trustroots?
06:27:38
@mariha:matrix.orgmarihaSome possible topics to discuss: - what if we migrated the data from Trustroots to OpenEngiadina? How communities / instances would interact then? - how XMPP is different from SSB and maybe ActivityPub? - would it make sense to use IndexDB with Solid app we have?06:37:35
@mariha:matrix.orgmariha* Some possible topics to discuss: - what if we migrated the data from Trustroots to OpenEngiadina? How communities / instances would interact then? - how XMPP is different from SSB and maybe ActivityPub? - would it make sense to use IndexDB with Solid app we have? - would it make sense to join efforts in some way? - ...06:39:01
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustardHi! I just saw that you have an initial vocabulary (https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/ohn-solid/blob/main/src/vocabularies/hospex.ttl). This is great!08:18:45
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustardI've updated GeoPub to use this vocabulary and it can now post simple hospitality exchanges.08:19:52
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustard

There are three layers to this:

  • The hospex:Activity
  • This is offered packed in a ValueFlows proposal (vf:Proposal)
  • The proposal is created using ActivityStreams
08:21:05
@mariha:matrix.orgmarihaOh wow, we just talked with Michal yesterday about using your vocab instead ;)08:21:12
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustard

Some notes on your questions:

  • what if we migrated the data from Trustroots to OpenEngiadina? How communities / instances would interact then?

Hm, I don't know the Trustroots data model. But if you think that Trustroots data can be transferred to the Vocabulary you are working on for the Solid app then the data can be moved to openEngiadina.

  • how XMPP is different from SSB and maybe ActivityPub?>

XMPP is federated, like ActivityPub, unlike SSB (completely decentralized).

My major motivation for using XMPP is that "it works". We can use standard/off-the-shelf server software (I'm using both Prosody and ejabberd XMPP servers) and they work perfectly with the openEngiadina software.

Using ActivityPub would require a custom server. We have tried going this route as part of the openEngiadina project.

I like that SSB is decentralized. However, I have concerns about it being an append-only log. I don't think this is long-term scalable and I think that being able to delete content is very important.

  • would it make sense to use IndexDB with Solid app we have?
  • would it make sense to join efforts in some way?
08:27:57
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustard *

Some notes on your questions:

  • what if we migrated the data from Trustroots to OpenEngiadina? How communities / instances would interact then?

Hm, I don't know the Trustroots data model. But if you think that Trustroots data can be transferred to the Vocabulary you are working on for the Solid app then the data can be moved to openEngiadina.

  • how XMPP is different from SSB and maybe ActivityPub?>

XMPP is federated, like ActivityPub, unlike SSB (completely decentralized).

My major motivation for using XMPP is that "it works". We can use standard/off-the-shelf server software (I'm using both Prosody and ejabberd XMPP servers) and they work perfectly with the openEngiadina software.

Using ActivityPub would require a custom server. We have tried going this route as part of the openEngiadina project.

I like that SSB is decentralized. However, I have concerns about it being an append-only log. I don't think this is long-term scalable and I think that being able to delete content is very important.

08:28:13
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustardAnother advantage of XMPP is that it also does instant messaging. I think this is very important for apps like Trustroots. You want to be able to directly message a host or a traveler.08:29:24
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustardGeoPub currently does not have built-in messaging functionality but there is a little link (the email icon) which will allow you to write messages to the creator of some content with an external XMPP client.08:30:32
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustard
  • would it make sense to use IndexDB with Solid app we have?

Yeah, sure. But I feel IndexedDB is not the main thing.

The cool thing is that Solid and openEngiadina use the same data model: RDF. The only difference is that we transfer it over XMPP whereas Solid uses some HTTP protocols.

08:32:55
@pukkamustard:matrix.orgpukkamustard
  • would it make sense to join efforts in some way?

I'd be very happy to.

08:33:18
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22 Sep 2022
@mariha:matrix.orgmariha Christopher Wan (Telegram): we need a designer-dev a lot! I can try to describe in words what this is about and there are some things you can read - https://openHospitality.network (project website) - maybe this: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/issues/2287 (initial issue as I proposed it in TR) - and maybe this: https://warmshowers.bike (a message that me and one other WS contributor sent to the bicycle touring community via the app we maintained) Initially we planned to federate based on ActivityPub protocol but now we have an app based on Solid, and OpenEngiadina uses XMPP which may be something worth looking into for us too. I also considered SecureScuttleButt and nostr, SSB's simplified version. We have a community call on Mondays 7pm CEST. 05:43:40
@mariha:matrix.orgmariha* Christopher Wan (Telegram): we need a designer-dev a lot! I can try to describe in words what this is about and there are some things you can read: - https://openHospitality.network (project website) - maybe this: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/issues/2287 (initial issue as I proposed it in TR) - and maybe this: https://warmshowers.bike (a message that me and one other WS contributor sent to the bicycle touring community via the app we maintained and the community was built on) Initially we planned to federate based on ActivityPub protocol but now we have an app based on Solid, and OpenEngiadina uses XMPP which may be something worth looking into for us too. I also considered SecureScuttleButt and nostr, SSB's simplified version. We have a community call on Mondays 7pm CEST.05:47:50
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25 Sep 2022
@ohn-functional:matrix.orgohn robot

mariha has just opened an issue: The information about the project being supported by NLnet is missing from the webpage

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