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| 2 May 2023 | ||
 Roxane | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgVZBAvVNC0&ab_channel=nobodyreally | 19:49:32 |
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| Roxane | Q.I don't know why but I feel angry now. E : Yes, because you try to understand. The mind cannot understand. The only thing we can do together is to come to see what is not. Yes, is not. The mind wants to choose, but then you come to see very clearly at some point that something is stopping you. There is no freedom, there is nothing pre-determined either, they are both concepts of the mind. You cannot have one concept without the other. So yes, you say : “see that you have a story”, and yes you can say : “there is no such thing as a story”, because there is no one there to “have any story”. So what do you do with that? If you follow the two lines of feeling very deeply you come to a blank state and in this blank state there is dissolution. And you see it is not the one, nor the other. They are both concepts. But these concepts have been recalled from memory. In time it becomes evident that life is not a concept. That life cannot be thought. That's why you can never say : “I understand something.” This realization will knowingly remain as a constant background present before any upsurge of understanding. All knowing is included in not knowing. The moment you say " I know this " you exclude the opposite. So of course you challenge the knowledge later on and it is very upsetting to the mind. We realize that wanting to understand was a need to grasp what cannot be grasped. It goes against what we have said that there is no sense in anything. You may hear that and feel very happy. To make sense out of the idea that there is no sense in anything gives you a feeling of security. Then someone tells you : " Look you are making sense out of it " and then the mind becomes crazy because it sees that it cannot not make sense out of it. Because when you understand that there is no sense in anything, you are saying to yourself : " that makes sense " . You are falling into the trap. So you have to constantly observe yourself because you constantly want to grasp what you cannot grasp and for the mind of course it is very upsetting. But it works. You must see the mechanism of understanding there is nothing to understand. There is nothing to understand, — you hear that and say : “Yes, now I understand that” and again you fall into the trap. So you must stop knowingly before understanding. Jean talked of it as a double absence. That there is an absence within the absence that is contained in the presence. But that's on Jean Klein's level. (We could approach it in a more simple way.) Q : But Jean Klein used to say that it is good to find the limits, to push the understanding of the mind to the very limit. E : Jean Klein was beyond anything one can comprehend. So I cannot talk about it. For me the need to know the limits of the mind is a very beautiful limited-mind concept, because there is no such thing as a limit to the mind. The mind is unlimited. Like if you say : “You must come to feel the limits of your body. It is unlimited. You can spend 60 million lives and still every new day — every day you can feel more deeply and every day you can think more deeply. The limit of the mind on the body level is totally horizontal. Every day you can be more certain. So what ? You are going to die and could have been so much more certain. So the problem is not to be really certain. It will remain limited all your life. We must live with that. Our mind, our body will stay gross all our life. But you can see that and when I clearly see that whatever conclusion I reach on the mental level will always be gross, there is a space in me which resonates, in which gross feeling and subtle feeling, high mind, low mind come to be seen as exactly equal. And this space is presence. And this space is something I can never reach by making my body subtle or by thinking high thoughts. This space is always with me when I do not pretend that I need to make my body subtle or that I need to my mind to think high thoughts. I respect what Jean said when Jean was there to say it. Coming from him, yes it was okay. But it is not something I would extract from his teaching. Jean's teaching was alive because of Jean. When Jean would say something is beautiful, his presence brought it alive. But now if one says : " Jean said that " , it is like saying : " Ramana Maharishi said that " . It's grotesque. Ramana Maharishi never said anything. The words we have from him are an expression but they were not his teaching. So I think it is very important we do not extract words from a spiritual teaching because spiritual teaching contains no words. We use words sometimes to convey a spiritual teaching. But the words of a teacher mean what they mean. So yes, what he said is of course true but it was to be realized at the time he said it. It was true then. At another time he would say the opposite too. So then what was happening ? He said this and he said that. He said everything is conditioned and he said everything is free. So read the two sentences, put them together and it makes no sense to you. Nothing. So hearing one at the right time will bring you to silence and then hearing the opposite at the right time will also bring you to silence. But now it remains only as a sentence, and a sentence only brings you agitation. So when you read Jean's book, if it brings you to silence you are ready but if you remain in the argument read it again, so that you come to forget the argument and only experience silence. But it is important to see how much we have this mechanism in us to want to grasp. It's enough to just see it… constantly. And there is nothing wrong with it ; we just knowingly experience this grasping process. I feel it in my shoulders, in my mouth, in my tongue, in my forehead, in the way I walk, in the way I breathe, in the way I look, in the way I listen, in the way I read, in the way I think, in the way I act and constantly, knowingly, I live my pretension without the pretension of being free from pretension. Clearly. That's spiritual enquiry. (Pause) Some people find it difficult to leave after spending time together : they feel that something is missing. This is the ultimate feeling. Something is missing. What is missing could never be present. Not on this level. If we leave with the idea that “we have had a very good talk, now I understand” then it was a waste of time. We must leave with the feeling that we never touched upon what was important. It can never be touched upon, it can never be thought, it can never be understood. So we leave with a very strange feeling that of a space which we can not name, we can never really feel in any way. What is there, is there, that is all. The discussion, all the exercises were just a moving, a breathing in that space. But it's very uncomfortable. The ego needs to go to a seminar and leave and say : “Now I know something : a new exercise and I understood something.” Here it is the opposite. We meet and we leave without understanding anything, without becoming anything, without knowing anything. It needs some kind of maturity to be able to cope with it. And if somebody does not have this maturity sometimes they get mad and go somewhere else to become spiritual or to become something. But no we did not talk about what is important. It is like when we are in love with somebody, we never say what is important. We talk about movies, we talk about dancing, we talk about beauty but there is something that we don't talk about and that is the course of our relationship. And sometimes we leave the person that we love and the mind may tell you “it's too bad, I did not really express my feelings.” But it should be that way. There is nothing to concretize. The beauty of life, the beauty of a relationship is to never touch upon what is important. It's an art, the art of not giving substance, or reference points. That is what we do in the bodywork. We come to the body feeling where there is no inside, no outside. There is no substance. This open state is the royal way to not creating an imaginary world and a self. | 20:42:09 |
| 5 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 279901181_5138539596239048_2878265905630618472_n.jpg | 00:58:56 |
| Roxane | When you touch one thing With deep awareness You touch everything. Thich Nhat Hanh | 00:59:06 |
| Roxane | Peace begins where expectations end. | 21:06:30 |
| 6 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 601021_456926507733737_155335164_n.jpg | 16:09:16 |
| 7 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 39018510_1865980616828312_5194425836823904256_n.jpg | 16:54:52 |
| Roxane | You begin to realize that nothing is as it seems, and you just have to laugh. Byron Katie | 16:55:01 |
| 8 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 21192106_1487745651318479_1190774507196024727_n.jpg | 21:26:06 |
| 9 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 31817410_1728718730554502_8113763417707249664_n.jpg | 03:34:08 |
| Roxane | "yi yi karu'm suy artsun yi rasini vichoarum thi mantar yihay lagamo dhahas partsun suy Parasivun tanthar" Translation: "Whatever work I did became worship of the Lord; Whatever word I uttered became a prayer; Whatever this body of mine experienced became the sadhana of Saiva Tantra illumining my path to Parmasiva Lalleshwari | 03:34:17 |
| Roxane |  Download 344764082_1251533085755490_9070671882624127364_n.jpg | 17:19:47 |
| Roxane | When a confessed atheist provocatively asked Bhagavan "Is there God; can you prove the existence of God?" Bhagavan smiled and replied, "Why worry about God? Let Him worry about Himself! Find out who raises the question." | 17:19:58 |
| 10 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download Byron-Katie-4.jpeg | 19:26:49 |
| Roxane | As long as you think that the cause of your problem is “out there”—as long as you think that anyone or anything is responsible for your suffering—the situation is hopeless. It means that you are forever in the role of victim, that you’re suffering in paradise.
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| 11 May 2023 | ||
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| Roxane |  Download 19250730_1432337766859268_5890973016669991322_o.jpg | 14:49:43 |
| 12 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 313433209_5664463443646658_7201487308312277507_n.jpg | 02:57:01 |
| Roxane | You are like a child that says: Prove that the sugar is sweet then only I shall have it. The proof of the sweetness is in the mouth not in the sugar. To know it is sweet, you must taste it, there is no other way. Of course, you begin by asking: Is it sugar? Is it sweet? and you accept my assurance until you taste it. Then only all doubts dissolve and your knowledge becomes first hand and unshakable. I do not ask you to believe me. Just trust me enough to begin with. Every step proves or disproves itself. ~Nisargadatta Maharaj | 02:57:10 |
| Roxane |  Download 345599743_1066340817659221_2186161615449009875_n.jpg | 15:06:50 |
| Roxane | People all over the world, wherever you are, I know it's not easy for you right now... I'm an old man, I've been alive a long time and I live with optimism. Appeal to desperate young people.. Trust me.. I read it but I don't remember where, was it in the Old Testament or was it in Carlos Castaneda's, about a shaman.. There was a drought - cattle were dying, people were dying.. And the shaman said: "Make ditches." Dig rain ditches. " "But there is no rain." Dig ditches and the rain will come. Unbelievers will say this is nonsense .. OK, believe what you want .. This is rational thinking .. But I think rational thinking is not working right now . Irrational, subconscious thinking is needed! When I was little, I dreamed of being what I am now.. Maybe I had a vision, I don't know.. I didn't expect much, but what I dreamed and fantasized happened to me.. And now I I believe we can draw the future to us.. Whatever you decide to do, believe it!!..Act as you believe it!!..This is power!..This is absolute power!!is agnostic, atheist, anyone ... - whatever.. Just believe! Anthony Hopkins. | 15:07:01 |
| 13 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 60174970_2274710859288617_1079592720508387328_n.jpg | 19:33:58 |
| Roxane | Sunshine - A Dialogue (Wei Wu Wei) Hui Hai, on the first page of his treatise on Sudden Enlightenment, explains it by saying that it is a means of getting rid of conceptual thinking. An instantaneous means. But how? He tells us that also; does he not add that 'enlightenment' is just the apperception that 'enlightenment' is not anything to be obtained, to be obtained or attained by anyone soever? He does, but what does he mean? If he had wished to answer that question would he not have done so? He wished us to answer it, to insee the answer. It should be seen directly, not indirectly via a Master, not intellectually as knowledge, but by whole-mind. It is for you to see it. We are told that it means that it cannot be attained because we have it already, that it is always ours. Typical half-baked nonsense! What are we, phenomena, to have or possess that or anything else? That is the usual pitiful attempt of volitional consciousness to maintain its position as an entity! Then he means to imply that 'enlightenment', 'awakening', 'liberation', or whatever term one uses, is not any 'thing', that there isn't any such thing anywhere, or nowhere, to be obtained or attained? No doubt that is a fact, but why? What conclusion do you draw from that? If it is not there, we cannot have it! That is not the point. What does the absence of an object connote? The absence of a subject. The absence if its subject! You mean there is neither object nor subject, which are inseparable, that there is no one to do it, neither doer nor anything done? Never mind what I mean; is it a fact? Yes, it must be a fact. So what? There is no 'us' to have or to do anything whatsoever! Good! Is not that the point? I suppose it is. But what, then, are 'we'? Did not Hui Hai start by telling, actually telling, you that? He told us that 'enlightenment' was a means of being rid of conceptual thinking. Exactly. You mean that 'we' are 'conceptual thinking'? Can you suggest a better definition of what we imagine that we are? I suppose not! So that 'enlightenment' is ridding ourselves of what we imagine that 'we' are? Yes, and 'suddenly', once and for all 'time'. But, then, who does it? There is no 'who'. Nothing phenomenal, evidently, if anything is done. But is anything done? What could there be to 'do'? No do-er and no-thing done. So what? Neither subject nor object, and out of 'time'. Yet there is some - let us say adjustment, or integration. Adjustment or re-integration. Even that needs doing! A doing that is no-doing, action that is non-action. Taoist wei wu wei? Yes, and that implies ...? It must be what-we-are! Quite so. What else could it be? So that is the whole story! Everything is therein! There is no 'us' at all, never was and never will be! Because there is no 'time' in which to 'last' and no space in which to be 'extended', since both are just concepts in mind. There is no 'us' either to experience 'enlightenment', to be awakened from a 'sleep', or to be freed from any kind of 'bondage'! Go on! Why not add - and no enlightenment, no sleep, and no bondage either? And how so? Because there could not be one without the others, nor any others without the one! That is surely the 'doctrine that is no-doctrine' of Bodhidharma, the 'transmission outside the Scriptures', which is the definition of Ch'an, the burden of 'Ekayana' - the Supreme Vehicle. Written and read its significance is not apparent, but suddenly apperceived it is luminous - like the sun emerging from behind the clouds! What we are is the sun; 'we' do not dissipate the clouds in order to reach (obtain or attain to) it: it is the sun which dissipates the clouds and enlightens us without us even knowing that 'we' are there? 'Enlightenment' does not exist phenomenally at all, and 'we' cannot have it - because it is what-we-are! | 19:34:10 |
| 15 May 2023 | ||
| Roxane |  Download 60517045_2278073055619064_7639960097539489792_n.jpg | 19:00:53 |
| Roxane | Ramesh said: " look at all these people come here believing they can get enlightened" so we laughed and laughed.... Gonzalo Fernandez | 19:01:04 |
| 18 May 2023 | ||
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| Roxane | Real silence means there is actually nowhere else for the mind to go . Anandamayi Ma. | 18:45:52 |
| 25 May 2023 | ||
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