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Moin @ https://hackerspaces.org ⚒ Meetups (about the wiki, transnational collaboration...) happen at CCC, and online — put your proposals to https://pad.land/hso-agenda ⚒ Need Help? https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Help ⚒ Ask questions, lurk for answers (means, >60 seconds). ⚒ Need hacking help? https://youtu.be/KEkrWRHCDQU31 Servers

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9 Apr 2024
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00
In reply to @samfosteriam:matrix.org
Are there any good resources for enforcing rules of conduct and shop etiquette and practices? I'm looking for some tried and tested guidelines for issuing warnings, when to escalate etc. for stuff like members leaving a mess, ignoring certain rules and so on. Something plainly written and unambiguous that everyone can agree on (if that's not too much to ask)
Maybe something is also on https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Documentation and https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Theory
02:35:11
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@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejulia
In reply to @samfosteriam:matrix.org
Are there any good resources for enforcing rules of conduct and shop etiquette and practices? I'm looking for some tried and tested guidelines for issuing warnings, when to escalate etc. for stuff like members leaving a mess, ignoring certain rules and so on. Something plainly written and unambiguous that everyone can agree on (if that's not too much to ask)
some useful info about enforcement also here: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
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10 Apr 2024
@erebion:erebion.euerebion 🏳️‍🌈♾
In reply to @jo:asra.gr
Nah… the cert couldn't be validated because the domain makerspaces.wiki is gone
I was expecting this the moment someone offered to add the domain. I even said it back then.
22:36:27
@erebion:erebion.euerebion 🏳️‍🌈♾ (Guess that's my way of saying "Told you so.". :p) 22:36:45
@erebion:erebion.euerebion 🏳️‍🌈♾
In reply to @leftyfb:matrix.org
Only beta fedora and maybe unstable/testing Debian
And even then it is only a backdoor, meaning if you're not directly connected to the internet at home wifi and upgrade it to a fixed version... Nothing ever happened. Though it would have been quite dangerous if it ever got into stable and onto millions of servers.
22:42:52
@erebion:erebion.euerebion 🏳️‍🌈♾
In reply to @vagrant:matrix.gresille.org
so far the idea would be to organize a call with shared screen and review some server configs, so that there's no need to just hand the keys to people who haven't been vouched for or don't know each other yet
Any repo with an Ansible playbook I could have a look at and create some MRs in?
22:44:25
11 Apr 2024
@samfosteriam:matrix.orgsamfosteriam
In reply to @aimeejulia:matrix.org
some useful info about enforcement also here: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
Thanks, that does present a useful framework for thinking about these things. I know this is ultimately a judgement call, so the key is to have the right information, have the right people (plural) making that judgement, and taking some proportionate action to the severity of the infraction. In this case the infractions are minor, but persistent. No-one is getting hurt, but the rules are being visibly flaunted, which undermines those rules and membership trust in general. Its food for though, thanks.
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12 Apr 2024
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@vagrant:matrix.gresille.orgVagrant samfosteriam: what kind of infractions are we talking about? If for example no one ever cleans the table, maybe there's nothing around to clean the table (or that they understand it's for that). If it's with a few maybe talking about why they're not doing it and ask them how they think they would solve it (like putting a sponge right there so they see it, for example) 06:12:58
@rimpossible:matrix.orgrimpossiblehttps://mastodon.social/@grishka/11225733775011182110:08:16
@douginamug:matrix.orgDougI know what you mean, I don't have an example, but please tell me if you find an example!12:11:40
@douginamug:matrix.orgDoug Hey aimeejulia :) do you remember me? Visited EHF aaggges ago. I'm interested in the census, keeping the quality of info good. So hit me up if you want to have a small meeting about that 12:17:14
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00I've sent an invitation to post to both Announce and Discuss lists21:20:07
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00https://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/announce/ Announce has ~550 members, Discuss ~30021:20:20
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00Announce is forwarded to Discuss (which I wasn't aware, so the message might double-deliver for some, but that's alright).21:20:50
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00Food for thought: Nobody sent a mail to Announce in 12 years!! I'm not sure right now if it's moderated (all posts need to be approved), in that case, it was an Editor problem. 21:22:49
@dcht00:matrix.orgdcht00Would be very nice if you do as Becha did today and start posting all your ideas, event invitations, etc to the lists. Even if they're local only, I guess they can inspire others to do something similar.21:23:42
13 Apr 2024
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejulia
In reply to @samfosteriam:matrix.org
Thanks, that does present a useful framework for thinking about these things. I know this is ultimately a judgement call, so the key is to have the right information, have the right people (plural) making that judgement, and taking some proportionate action to the severity of the infraction. In this case the infractions are minor, but persistent. No-one is getting hurt, but the rules are being visibly flaunted, which undermines those rules and membership trust in general. Its food for though, thanks.
also keep in mind that no matter how great the rules people are people and they will break a rule if they don't value it and proportionate enforcement is subjective. There may also be instances where the rules are not useful or no longer serve a community or have to be broken for practicality reasons.... in places where people are meeting in person you may also want to consider additional issues that may arise including sexual harassment / abuse - how to safeguard minors that visit the space etc. I raise this last one because right now the afra in berlin is having major issues with these topics and almost all members of the board have resigned because of them
11:19:47
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejulia
In reply to @samfosteriam:matrix.org
Thanks, that does present a useful framework for thinking about these things. I know this is ultimately a judgement call, so the key is to have the right information, have the right people (plural) making that judgement, and taking some proportionate action to the severity of the infraction. In this case the infractions are minor, but persistent. No-one is getting hurt, but the rules are being visibly flaunted, which undermines those rules and membership trust in general. Its food for though, thanks.
* samfosteriam: also keep in mind that no matter how great the rules people are people and they will break a rule if they don't value it and proportionate enforcement is subjective. There may also be instances where the rules are not useful or no longer serve a community or have to be broken for practicality reasons.... in places where people are meeting in person you may also want to consider additional issues that may arise including sexual harassment / abuse - how to safeguard minors that visit the space etc. I raise this last one because right now the afra in berlin is having major issues with these topics and almost all members of the board have resigned because of them
11:28:49
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejuliaa meeting in which members talk about the consequences of certain rules being broken for example: we I leave a mess someone else has to clean it, if its not cleaned we will have a dirty place (possible insect/rat infestation), tools not being put away = lost or broken tools cost money to replace etc. make the tidy up easy and practical - provide all the tools necessary to easily do it + label places where things should go back to - work out on a scale of 1 - 10 how much the issue is irritating / damaging to the group morale / pockets and work out penalty together for one-off offence to repeat offenders ie pre-agreed and community enforced clearly communicated and stated12:47:44
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejulia * a meeting in which members talk about the consequences of certain rules being broken for example: when I leave a mess someone else has to clean it, if its not cleaned we will have a dirty place (possible insect/rat infestation), tools not being put away = lost or broken tools cost money to replace etc. make the tidy up easy and practical - provide all the tools necessary to easily do it + label places where things should go back to - work out on a scale of 1 - 10 how much the issue is irritating / damaging to the group morale / pockets and work out penalty together for one-off offence to repeat offenders ie pre-agreed and community enforced clearly communicated and stated 12:48:03
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejuliayes I remember you well, would be good to catch up I'd be happy to meet up you can book a time that's good for you here: https://cal.com/aimeefenech/meeting13:02:34
@aimeejulia:matrix.orgaimeejulia * yes Doug I remember you well, would be good to catch up I'd be happy to meet up you can book a time that's good for you here: https://cal.com/aimeefenech/meeting 13:02:48
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14 Apr 2024
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