| 30 Mar 2023 |
 gurki | since. uh. you need a billion of them which are to spec. you also need a plethora of design tools and simulation environments fit precisely to that collection of fabrication equipment you use | 19:49:21 |
 NSHkr | gurki: billion is a bit lofty. how about 100k transistors as a long term goal for a DIY learning fab | 19:49:25 |
| gurki | 100k transistors doesnt ease the problem, i was giving a random number | 19:49:42 |
 leftyfb | our makerspace has an SEM | 19:49:50 |
| gurki | most academic fabs can make one, if youre lucky they can make ten transistors that are somewhat similar | 19:50:12 |
| NSHkr | a kid in his south NJ garage made silicon with like 1k transistors, admittedly an outlier case | 19:51:40 |
| gurki | but. uh. i wouldnt complain if there was a jlcpcb for asics :3 | 19:52:36 |
| NSHkr | leftyfb: sweden is a special place | 19:54:18 |
| leftyfb | I'm not in Sweden | 19:54:29 |
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| NSHkr | leftyfb: where's your space? | 20:04:11 |
| leftyfb | NSHkr: Massachusetts | 20:11:25 |
| NSHkr | leftyfb: Ah, nice :-D https://makezine.com/article/science/zen-art-microscope-maintenance/ | 20:15:42 |
| leftyfb | not us | 20:16:01 |
| leftyfb | NSHkr: https://lowellmakes.com/shops-equipment/measurements/ | 20:17:05 |
| NSHkr | leftyfb: got it. wow, their EM uses 3kW.. here in hawaii it would break the bank just to power it.. | 20:17:29 |
| NSHkr | leftyfb: fantastic, thanks for the inspiration and info | 20:19:33 |
| NSHkr | Anyway, as for RPi, my theory about the "shortage" is related to the accessibility of physically-implemented CMLSS's via cheap, commoditized SoC's | 20:42:42 |
| NSHkr | if anyone wishes to discuss this, please attend our meetup :-D | 20:43:21 |
 scuzz | The pin64 folks are the hardline "must be in the linux kernel" folks, I thought? | 21:22:34 |
| scuzz | Anyway, they use armbian, not their own thing. Good history of support. | 21:22:35 |
| NSHkr | i love articles like this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/chinese-arm-vendor-left-developer-backdoor-in-kernel-for-android-pi-devices/ | 21:38:43 |
| NSHkr | scuzz: funny, the pinephone got a lot of publicity, didn't know they made these. thanks | 21:40:17 |
| NSHkr | too bad noone makes standard backplanes like how API 500 modules became a standard for analogue pro audio | 21:44:06 |
| NSHkr | this would be cool for tinkering, if not insufficient for a MSL/MLS https://www.pine64.org/clusterboard/ | 21:44:57 |
| scuzz | NSHkr: If you didn't know of the rest of the stuff the pine folks have, definitely also check out the pinecil. 25 dollar and just actually pretty decent. | 21:49:22 |
| NSHkr | scuzz: that's actually perfect considering we'op. (think Christian Slater in Pump Up the Volume) | 21:52:48 |
| NSHkr | my fingers are fat. i've never used a smart soldering iron but looking forward to doing so | 21:53:18 |
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