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@coracle:matrix.orgcoracleFor EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls have what kind of platform/security? There are so many variables, it's hard to keep track of for me at all. (AFAICT there's 1:1 calls audio & video, and Rooms with video. And there was the Jitsi and the Element Call I think implementations. And there was a Beta, which I wasn't clear whether that was solid or not, or had encryption on or off.). Just a lot of uncertainty around "current expectations" or even what the available "options" are, even if things can change in the future. It's not really mission critical, but this seemed like the right place to ask in case there is an up to date comprehensive page to point to, that explains it. Thanks.21:41:53
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle(Also, thanks for making these systems available and better all the time. Much gratitude is due to the EMS team for keeping on keeping on, with serious improvements over time that keep on coming!)21:44:31
11 Dec 2023
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs EX mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call
  • Beta/labs which was opt-in in some interfaces, which I wasn't sure if Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?), even if things can change in the future.

The scope I am asking about is limitd to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

00:27:22
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs Element-X Mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call
  • Beta/labs which was opt-in in some interfaces, which I wasn't sure if Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?), even if things can change in the future.

The scope I am asking about is limitd to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

00:28:02
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs Element-X Mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call IIRC
  • Beta/labs Video Rooms looks opt-in still in some interfaces, so it seems Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?), even if things can change in the future. (If there is an icon or other way to check during a call [e.g., this is Jitsi or Call; this is E2EE or NotE2EE], that could be useful to know about too, and I can check what results from different scenarios.)

The scope I am asking about is limited to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

(Also, if I greatly misunderstand the situation and am over-thinking the complexity, guiding me back to the way to understand this topic would also be much appreciated, of course.)

00:32:42
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle * Finally, thanks for making these systems available and better all the time. Much gratitude is due to the EMS team for keeping on with development and imrpovements, with serious upgrades over time that keep on coming!00:33:18
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle * Finally, thanks for making these systems available and better all the time. Much gratitude is due to the EMS team for keeping on with development and improvements, with meaningful upgrades over time that keep getting better!00:33:44
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs Element-X Mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call IIRC
  • Beta/labs Video Rooms looks opt-in still in some interfaces, so it seems Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?). (If there is an icon or other way to check during a call [e.g., this is Jitsi or Call; this is E2EE or NotE2EE], that could be useful to know about too, and I can check what results from different scenarios.)

The scope I am asking about is limited to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

(Also, if I greatly misunderstand the situation and am over-thinking the complexity, guiding me back to the way to understand this topic would also be much appreciated, of course.)

00:34:55
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs Element-X Mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call IIRC
  • Beta/labs Video Rooms looks opt-in still in some interfaces, so it seems Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?). (If there were an icon or other way to check during a call [e.g., this is Jitsi or Call; this is E2EE or NotE2EE], that could be useful to know about too, since then I could check what results from different scenarios.)

The scope I am asking about is limited to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

(Also, if I greatly misunderstand the situation and am over-thinking the complexity, guiding me back to the way to understand this topic would also be much appreciated, of course.)

00:35:42
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle *

For EMS hosted Matrix using Element (desktop, mobile, web), is there a guide page that breaks down what kinds of calls use what kind of platform (Jitsi vs. Element Call?) & security (E2EE vs. not?)?

There are many variables, and it's sort of difficult to tell, for me, at present. Some possible combinations of factors, for instance, are:

  • different clients by any of 2 parties (Element Web vs. Hydrogen Web vs. Element Desktop vs. Element Mobile vs Element-X Mobile)
  • 1:1 calls vs. Rooms
  • audio vs. video
  • Jitsi vs. Element Call
  • with or without E2EE
  • there was a Beta period where some clients would have Element Call IIRC
  • Beta/labs Video Rooms looks opt-in still in some interfaces, so it seems Beta is ongoing
  • not sure whether E2EE was enabled for Beta in the past or by now

For some reason, I experience a lot of uncertainty around current expectations for Calls, and what the available options are for what platform gets used and what security gets used (possibly driven by different connection choices?). (If there were an icon or other way to check during a call [e.g., this is Jitsi or Call; this is E2EE or NotE2EE], that could be useful to know about too, since then I could check what results from different scenarios.)

The scope I am asking about is limited to the managed Element-hosted business service, since that is my use case. Hopefully that simplifies the answer a bit. For priority, it's not really mission critical to know at this time, I guess, but this seemed like the right place to ask about an up-to-date, comprehensive page to point to, that explains this topic. It would be great to understand more confidently, in order to be able to share with other users correctly, too. Thanks.

(Also, if I greatly misunderstand the situation and am over-thinking the complexity, then simply guiding me back to the way to understand this topic would also be much appreciated, of course.)

00:36:24
@coracle:matrix.orgcoracle * Finally, a big thank you for making these systems available and better all the time. Much gratitude is due to the EMS team for keeping on with development and improvements, with meaningful upgrades over time that keep getting better!01:22:31
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