| 21 Sep 2020 |
 kvark | yes, that approach sounds good | 13:32:31 |
| kvark | https://www.khronos.org/blog/fighting-fragmentation-vulkan-portability-extension-released-implementations-shipping | 14:58:27 |
| kvark | featuring gfx-portability! 🚀 | 14:58:38 |
 cwfitzgerald | ayyy! | 15:29:30 |
 shmerl | Nice. In unrelated news, MS bought Bethesda, which looks like an attack on Vulkan... | 15:30:30 |
| kvark | MS has been very aggressive on the market lately | 15:30:56 |
| cwfitzgerald | as much as I love a good conspiracy theory: I very much doubt that MS buying ID's parent parent company will dictate what api they use | 15:35:54 |
| shmerl | It would be good if it won't. But de-facto they have little choice if MS will tell them - release for Xbox. | 15:36:33 |
| shmerl | And then "cut costs and use DX everywhere". | 15:36:51 |
| shmerl | Sounds like BAU, but in fact it's a nasty anti-competitive move. | 15:37:09 |
| shmerl | Though it would be nice to be able to use something like gfx-rs to target Xbox. | 15:37:54 |
 Lachlan Sneff | gfx-rs supports dx12, so that should work, no? | 15:38:30 |
| shmerl | In theory, but I'm not sure if anyone used it. I've heard Godot has a problem with targeting consoles due to some NDA related issues. | 15:39:12 |
| shmerl | * In theory, but I'm not sure if anyone used it. I've heard Godot has a problem with targeting consoles due to some NDA related issues. | 15:40:12 |
| cwfitzgerald | In reply to @shmerl:matrix.org
It would be good if it won't. But de-facto they have little choice if MS will tell them - release for Xbox. they already have a dx12 backend for xbox | 15:40:51 |
| cwfitzgerald | you don't have a choice lol | 15:41:06 |
| shmerl | But they also are pushing Vulkan elsewhere, that's what MS can easily make them cut. | 15:41:29 |
| shmerl | As a "cost optimization". They are paying the bills after all. | 15:41:45 |
| shmerl | * As a "cost optimization". They are paying the bills after all. | 15:41:54 |
| shmerl | But if not - good. I don't have much trust in MS doing the right thing. | 15:43:08 |
| cwfitzgerald | I honestly don't see the business incentive for that kinda thing, vk works fine on windows. They want people on the platform, they don't really care how they do it | 15:43:48 |
| shmerl | You can ask the same question, what's the incentive for MS not to get behind Vulkan, like they got behind OpenXR for example. | 15:44:24 |
| shmerl | They are very staunchly against it. | 15:44:37 |
| cwfitzgerald | DX12 is a different beast than vulkan, DX12 cares only about desktop and console hardware | 15:47:31 |
| shmerl | But they can use the same argument for not supporting OpenXR and focus only on their own use cases. | 15:49:06 |
| shmerl | Yet they didn't. | 15:49:16 |
| shmerl | I think there is no rational logic behind it. It's just an offshoot of some who pushed lock-in in their Xbox department, and possibly VR is simply managed by better people | 15:50:06 |
| cwfitzgerald | I think large companies are not nearly as homogeneous hive mind as you'd think | 15:50:50 |
| shmerl | Sure, my point is that Xbox is one of the worst examples here, they are like MS from the '90s still in this sense. | 15:51:15 |
| shmerl | * Sure, my point is that Xbox is one of the worst examples here, they are like MS from the '90s still in this sense. | 15:51:45 |
