| 6 Jan 2021 |
 Github [@jryans:matrix.org] | [malleable-systems/malleable.systems] jryans opened issue #46: Add Ford's "The Power and Paradox of Bad Software" to catalog [open] - https://github.com/malleable-systems/malleable.systems/issues/46 | 13:40:11 |
 Gnuxie ππ | In reply to @thekkid:dagarten.modular.im
That makes some sense. I wonder if you could use a common representation for everything. My intuition is it's something you'd want people to opt into for the common case but not require. No, it woukd be better not to have to do that | 13:42:00 |
| Gnuxie ππ | In reply to @_neb_github_=40jryans=3amatrix.org:matrix.org
[malleable-systems/malleable.systems] jryans opened issue #46: Add Ford's "The Power and Paradox of Bad Software" to catalog [open] - https://github.com/malleable-systems/malleable.systems/issues/46 Maybe believing falsely that programming environments are currently so good is actjally part of the problem | 13:52:29 |
 Github | https://github.com/malleable-systems/malleable.systems/issues/46 : Add Ford's "The Power and Paradox of Bad Software" to catalog | 13:52:29 |
 J. Ryan Stinnett | Yes, most likely so. Personally, I don't hold that belief myself, so I did cringe a bit reading that part of the article... π
but anyway, I know many people do think they are good, but really we're trapped in some 70s era local optimum that prevents us from seeing future innovations. | 13:55:43 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | In reply to @gnu_ponut:matrix.org
Maybe believing falsely that programming environments are currently so good is actjally part of the problem * Yes, most likely so. Personally, I don't hold that belief myself, so I did cringe a bit reading that part of the article... π
but anyway, I know many people do think they are good, but really we're trapped in some 70s era local optimum that prevents us from seeing future innovations. | 13:55:49 |
| 8 Jan 2021 |
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| 9 Jan 2021 |
 Alex | Any plans to take advantage of matrix communities for this one? | 02:53:09 |
| prnc | In reply to @thekkid:dagarten.modular.im
Trying to learn org mode so that if I build something I have all of that as inspiration I really recommend org mode manual: https://orgmode.org/orgguide.pdf, it's a very inspiring read if you're into this kind of thing. Printed version makes for a great bead time read ;P https://www.lulu.com/en/ca/shop/carsten-dominik/the-org-manual/paperback/product-1kmmk822.html?page=1&pageSize=4 | 15:56:10 |
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| J. Ryan Stinnett | In reply to @thekkid:dagarten.modular.im
Any plans to take advantage of matrix communities for this one? As a way of having multiple rooms for different topics, or did you have something else in mind? | 18:59:04 |
| Gnuxie ππ | I think.they mean rooms as IDE buffers /s | 19:00:18 |
| Gnuxie ππ | Redacted or Malformed Event | 19:00:23 |
| Gnuxie ππ | * I think.they mean rooms as IDE buffers /s | 19:00:45 |
| Alex | In reply to @jryans:matrix.org
As a way of having multiple rooms for different topics, or did you have something else in mind? That's what I had in mind | 19:04:36 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | Seems like a reasonable thing to consider as the community grows, yes. π The Matrix community feature set is actively being rebuilt into a much more useful and understandable experience, so itβs probably best to consider what we might want here once those changes have reached stable Matrix clients. | 21:05:37 |
| 12 Jan 2021 |
|  jake set a profile picture. | 15:05:41 |
| 15 Jan 2021 |
| Alex | Found this from the future of coding podcast and it's related to some of the dynamic system stuff we were talking about https://www.expressionsofchange.org/ | 20:55:25 |
| 16 Jan 2021 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | In reply to @thekkid:dagarten.modular.im
Found this from the future of coding podcast and it's related to some of the dynamic system stuff we were talking about https://www.expressionsofchange.org/ Hmm, the design goals listed there do seem intriguing at least! π I'm not entirely following what they actually built, but maybe it'll make more sense if I watch one of the videos or listen to the podcast... | 13:29:39 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | Curious to hear what else you discover from those podcasts... I'm bad at listening to podcasts, so I've never listened to those, but I have followed the discussion forum for a while, so it'll be interesting to hear the tidbits that might only be in the podcasts. π | 13:32:26 |
 contrapunctus | J. Ryan Stinnett: re: communities, what implications do those have for those on the other side of the IRC bridge? | 13:34:52 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | Assuming we expand to a community with multiple Matrix rooms, then each room could be bridged, so they'd appear as new IRC channels, but you'd have to know about and find each one manually. | 13:38:48 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | On the Matrix side, if you are part of a space / community there's some UI to tell you about the other rooms, but IRC doesn't really have anything similar. | 13:41:19 |
| contrapunctus | ΰ² _ΰ² | 13:41:56 |
| J. Ryan Stinnett | One way to handle it might be to list the various places the rooms are bridged on the website, or something like that. | 13:44:13 |
| Alex | In reply to @jryans:matrix.org
Curious to hear what else you discover from those podcasts... I'm bad at listening to podcasts, so I've never listened to those, but I have followed the discussion forum for a while, so it'll be interesting to hear the tidbits that might only be in the podcasts. π Yeah I mostly think it's strongly related because in my mind in order for systems to be more malleable you need to blur the line between development and usage. | 14:44:07 |
| 17 Jan 2021 |
 rainbow_bamboo | Hi, I made a thread about the polylith system that might be interesting
They recently rewrote the tool in tools.deps, which I think helped them to simplify the abstractions to the point where it's clearer how the system can be used for any codebase that wants to be more functional in its structure.
https://twitter.com/RainbowBamboo/status/1350637905425915905?s=19 | 12:23:38 |
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