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5 Oct 2021
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe
In reply to @helpmyself:halogen.city
Also known as self-defense :3
I don't agree with that. There is a difference between self-defense (which I advocate) and war, coup dtat, genocide, and what might be called "popular" violence as a means of forcing popular or political goals. Mr Penguin is using censorship to further his political agenda because he's too much of a coward to tell the US government that he doesn't owe them anything. In other words, he's so insecure in his own independence as a human being that he feels terrified of being associated with calls to popular violence which risks losing the backing of a group. These are exactly the kinds of little Hitlers that libertarians must guard against. I sure as hell aren't going to shop at his business anymore (despite myself being an exclusive user of Linux for over 20 years) and my only hope is for him to get hit by a bus before he rots in hell.
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@ftl_ian:matrix.lrn.fmFTL_IanAnother shit talker from outside NH. Not a surprise. 18:08:59
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6 Oct 2021
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0mey
In reply to @johnorjanedoe:matrix.org
I don't agree with that. There is a difference between self-defense (which I advocate) and war, coup dtat, genocide, and what might be called "popular" violence as a means of forcing popular or political goals. Mr Penguin is using censorship to further his political agenda because he's too much of a coward to tell the US government that he doesn't owe them anything. In other words, he's so insecure in his own independence as a human being that he feels terrified of being associated with calls to popular violence which risks losing the backing of a group. These are exactly the kinds of little Hitlers that libertarians must guard against. I sure as hell aren't going to shop at his business anymore (despite myself being an exclusive user of Linux for over 20 years) and my only hope is for him to get hit by a bus before he rots in hell.
If there is a widespread attack on people of some kind, which is what the "state" constitutes, then I think a widespread violent response is still defensive though it may be popular
00:08:46
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeTrue and I was definitely advocating for that a while ago in this channel, but I guess part of my point is that people with political agendas should not feel like their politics are being threatened by individual self defense. I assume mrpenguin is so zealous with his banning because he doesn't want anyone to think that's a tactic he's planning to use, but I've tried to be mindful in the channels he invited me to and limit any talk of violence to strictly nonpolitical, individual self defense (and even at that I was only answering questions that were being asked of me).01:16:35
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe...you know, because in the channel I was banned from somebody asked me if I had previously advocated for killing cops and I was just like, well yeah I did to defend myself from XYZ crime. Not exactly "advocating violence against the state" like a civil war of secession or something.01:21:45
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@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeCan anyone recommend a place to find classified ads for libertarians? Craigslist has too many people trying to rope you into the social security system. 16:37:34
10 Oct 2021
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeDoes anyone have advice for banking with bitcoin ATMs? I finally received a current ID from the government after almost two years. At the same time my bank is now refusing to deposit my checks, so I would like to move forward with putting my money somewhere more secure. Online crypto exchanges have not been willing to service me in the past (more corrupt and in bed with the government than banks it seems) and I've never been eligible to use the bitcoin ATMs because I the government wouldn't approve of my identity.13:24:11
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeBy the way, looking at the dates on things, I don't think I would have a "valid" government ID today without my death threats and calls to violence. I believe that the government did investigate and analyze my threats and calls to extremism and decided to issue the ID after determining that the root cause of the violence was ultimately them and their lawless behavior. 13:29:44
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeIf only free staters were as enlightened...I expect that when I return to my property in New Hampshire nothing short of actual killings will bring the serfs into submission with the principles of liberty. This is one thing the enemies of free speech never seem to understand (and there are many of them in the free state project)...that you can try to censor all you want, but the more you do the harder it will come down in the end. It's not like silencing someone makes them disappear and censorship is the practical equivalent of blindfolding yourself when you see an oncoming freight train (mrpenguin should take note, the worthless cocksucker).13:33:51
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0mey
In reply to @johnorjanedoe:matrix.org
Can anyone recommend a place to find classified ads for libertarians? Craigslist has too many people trying to rope you into the social security system.

Well, obviously there are darknet websites, but here are a couple agorist listing sites:

https://www.agoristnexus.com/

https://agorist.market/

You can probably still find people on Craigslist and similar mainstream sites if you keep looking. And the most traditional way is just to network with people in person, or just contact a business and ask.

19:48:21
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0mey
In reply to @johnorjanedoe:matrix.org
Does anyone have advice for banking with bitcoin ATMs? I finally received a current ID from the government after almost two years. At the same time my bank is now refusing to deposit my checks, so I would like to move forward with putting my money somewhere more secure. Online crypto exchanges have not been willing to service me in the past (more corrupt and in bed with the government than banks it seems) and I've never been eligible to use the bitcoin ATMs because I the government wouldn't approve of my identity.

I would definitely say trade cryptocurrency without ID or records, etc. If the ATMs around you all have KYC, I would say either avoid them or fake it. The same goes for other things that have KYC.

If you network with people who like cryptocurrency, it's not hard to find somebody to trade with. There are also fancier things like decentralized exchanges. And remember, it's easy to swap one cryptocurrency for another, or to buy other goods directly with them including gift cards. You can sometimes get paid in cryptocurrency too, depending on what you're doing.

20:11:05
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe
In reply to @helpmyself:halogen.city

Well, obviously there are darknet websites, but here are a couple agorist listing sites:

https://www.agoristnexus.com/

https://agorist.market/

You can probably still find people on Craigslist and similar mainstream sites if you keep looking. And the most traditional way is just to network with people in person, or just contact a business and ask.

Ummm, 99.99% of businesses say "you must be trying to put me in jail if you're asking that...real people ask for half off the books, half on the books so they can scam the government and fuck the immigrants at the same time. ::block::" Also, I've never heard the word agorist uttered anywhere other than porcfest. But I will check it out.
23:08:36
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe
In reply to hEl[p,m0mey

I would definitely say trade cryptocurrency without ID or records, etc. If the ATMs around you all have KYC, I would say either avoid them or fake it. The same goes for other things that have KYC.

If you network with people who like cryptocurrency, it's not hard to find somebody to trade with. There are also fancier things like decentralized exchanges. And remember, it's easy to swap one cryptocurrency for another, or to buy other goods directly with them including gift cards. You can sometimes get paid in cryptocurrency too, depending on what you're doing.

Why do you recommend avoiding KYC? The good thing (and perhaps the only good thing) about cryptocurrency is that once you got it nobody can take it.
I think it is very very hard to find somebody to trade cryptocurrency with. They're all liberty hating pricks like Ian and mrpenguin...more concerned with pushing their tyrannical agendas than engaging in valuable interactions and I'd clearly have better luck asking the FBI to trade with me than those mindless assholes (which is a point I've tried to make over and over). I wouldn't be here asking you if I had anybody to network with who is interested other than you.

Gawd, do you have any idea what a hassle interacting with most people is (and especially rural antiglobalists)? In the time it takes them to count to 10 one could make 100 on the stock market. I'm not trying to ride the speculative cryptocurrency bubble, I'm looking to for more integrity in my banking which people who "like cryptocurrency" don't have. They're bottom feeders living off the dregs of world of financial sophistication.

23:23:42
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe* Why do you recommend avoiding KYC? The good thing (and perhaps the only good thing) about cryptocurrency is that once you got it nobody can take it. I think it is very very hard to find somebody to trade cryptocurrency with. They're all liberty hating pricks like Ian and mrpenguin...more concerned with pushing their tyrannical agendas than engaging in valuable interactions and I'd clearly have better luck asking the FBI to trade with me than those mindless assholes (which is a point I've tried to make over and over). I wouldn't be here asking you if I had anybody to network with who is interested other than you. Gawd, do you have any idea what a hassle interacting with most people is (and especially rural antiglobalists)? In the time it takes them to count to 10 one could make 100 on the stock market. I'm not trying to ride the speculative cryptocurrency bubble, I'm looking to for more integrity in my banking which people who "like cryptocurrency" don't have. They're bottom feeders living off the dregs of world of financial sophistication.23:24:05
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@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeConsider the baseline of banking from the 1950s...40 hours per week of continuous availability Mon-Fri 9-5. Do people who "like cryptocurrency" even have enough of a work ethic to keep their eyelids open for 40 hours per week? In most cases no...I'm looking to go forwards, not backwards.23:29:12
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeHa ha, good riddance Ian. If you and the people you "network with" weren't a bunch of tyrannical scumbags I could have taught you how to beat the charges, but instead I'll have a toast to evolution when they lock you up and throw away the key. 23:43:30
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe(Ian does know a few things about the topic of banking with cryotocurrency, but is barred by the government from talking about it, from what I understand...so will the real slim shady please stand up?)23:50:07
11 Oct 2021
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoehttps://www.agoristnexus.com/ 0 results https://agorist.market/ 0 results00:28:59
12 Oct 2021
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0mey

Well, I don't think you're totally wrong about these people. Of course a bunch of "libertarians," or anybody else for that matter, are at least partially phonies and hypocrites.

I largely ignore the espoused views of people, and I mostly pay attention to how they act. Not because I enjoy judging people for its own sake, but for practical reasons. I want relationships that are mutually beneficial. So, if somebody does business I'm interested in, or potentially could, then I'm interested. I don't care if somebody is a statist or anarchist (in their imagination). As the saying goes, "I don't pay you to think."

I have had some luck getting opportunities through networking and researching. It does take some work, especially at first, and you have to sort through a lot of largely useless people. You gotta be careful with having too bad an attitude. Sometimes it makes you want to quit too soon.

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13 Oct 2021
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeAppreciate your perspective. You are, of course, an open minded person and therefore bound to be wise. I'm definitely not quitting too soon, but time is money. It seems like this 0% interest rate environment has turned society on its head...there are just so many people kicking the can down the road and in no rush at all to accomplish anything. Then all the hard workers seem to be making things go backwards... ...the best work I've found recently was filling in flooded land for the son and grandson of dump truck drivers whose been filling it in for 20 years. You would think he would want to pay someone to find a better way (especially someone like me who has already invested a lot of time and money into devising better solutions to exactly this problem), but nope he works 10 hours a day doing what he's done for 20 years with the best possible help from family and he pays me to work beside him and he's not even making any progress. ...other best work is getting fallen trees off of houses. Again, you would think the work worth paying for would be finding ways to prevent trees from falling on houses, but nope they pay our crew thousands of dollars to use hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment after tens of thousands of dollars in damages. People don't seem to want anything of value, they just want to go backwards in time, "make America great again", and invest however much money, resources, and abuse it takes to make things look the same as they were 20 years ago (even though, of course, things aren't the same as they were 20 years ago). 00:08:10
14 Oct 2021
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0meyHaha, yeah, you may have a point. Sounds like you might be able to start your own business though, maybe?05:51:37
16 Oct 2021
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@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoeI've tried to start a lot of businesses over the years and I've learned there are very few people in this world who want actual results. Most people have a predetermined narrative in their heads about "how it works" and if you don't follow the narrative then they just ignore you or tell you that you don't know how to do it, don't have the skills, or worse they'll actively try to stop you through licensing, censorship, and other tactics of social ostracism. Life is like a cult classic movie with people wanting to hear the same script every time, hoping that the rhythmic clockwork of it all will create such a hypnotic haze that they'll be able to steal the leading role when the opportunity arises, but they don't want to actually get to the end any faster. Better products and services do not sell, social manipulation sells.23:09:11
17 Oct 2021
@helpmyself:halogen.cityhEl[p,m0meyMaybe you should employ some social manipulation, then?01:10:07
18 Oct 2021
@johnorjanedoe:matrix.orgjdoe
In reply to @helpmyself:halogen.city
Maybe you should employ some social manipulation, then?
It's at the top of my list for personal development. It's not my strong suit, but I've never failed to rise to the challenges I face. Thanks for the encouragement, bud.
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