| 27 Dec 2023 |
 wiltaylor | * Lol was better than frontpage thogh | 02:27:17 |
 doctorcringephd | well that's not a high bar | 02:27:19 |
| wiltaylor | * Lol was better than frontpage though | 02:27:25 |
| wiltaylor | Lol yeah | 02:27:42 |
| doctorcringephd | remember Eclipse? blech | 02:27:48 |
| doctorcringephd | so many bad products for making code | 02:27:57 |
| wiltaylor | Lol yep | 02:28:04 |
| doctorcringephd | devs can't even make dev tools lol | 02:28:05 |
| wiltaylor | And ibm loved eclipse so much they made a mail client on it | 02:28:22 |
| wiltaylor | That is why lotus notes gui is so bad, its eclipse lol | 02:28:41 |
| doctorcringephd | i dont think i've had to touch eclipse in like 12+ years at least | 02:28:50 |
| doctorcringephd | thank god | 02:28:53 |
| wiltaylor | I have never really done any code in it | 02:29:14 |
| doctorcringephd | it's not great | 02:29:25 |
| wiltaylor | Just used it for lotus notes | 02:29:25 |
| doctorcringephd | i think i've used everything i can think of at one point. notepad++, sublime text, eclipse, dreamweaver, visual studio and a million others | 02:30:13 |
| doctorcringephd | worst was trying to do work on a mac in something called Coda | 02:30:23 |
| doctorcringephd | i hate macs so much it hurts me | 02:30:31 |
| wiltaylor | Ouch | 02:30:37 |
| wiltaylor | At work i mostly just use jetbrains stuff. Has good vim keybindings and can work with stupid enterprise stuff | 02:31:17 |
| wiltaylor | With you on that | 02:31:30 |
| doctorcringephd | jetbrains typically doesn't suck, which is saying something | 02:31:35 |
| doctorcringephd | cuz most things suck for writing code of any kind | 02:31:57 |
| wiltaylor | Yeah they some how do java well lol | 02:31:58 |
| doctorcringephd | i heard that but i never write java | 02:32:14 |
| doctorcringephd | people say it a lot, though | 02:32:20 |
| wiltaylor | Nah all their ide are written in java | 02:32:29 |
| wiltaylor | But positive of that they support their ides on pretty much anything | 02:32:50 |
| wiltaylor | Even could do c# on macos on their m1 chips | 02:33:08 |
| doctorcringephd | oh i thought you meant their java IDE was good.. people DO say that a lot | 02:34:05 |
