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17 May 2022
@inference:tchncs.deinference
In reply to @wjvcyxnsbj:mozilla.org
?_? the much better? you mean your favourite browser?

For security, no. Chromium wins without competition.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html

I won't go into detail here since that's what #gentoo-hardening:matrix.org is for.

18:49:07
@wjvcyxnsbj:mozilla.orgmeioh, better in terms of security, interesting18:49:27
@inference:tchncs.deinferenceBut yeah, looks like I'll have to take the Flatpak route. What's weird is it worked before and now randomly doesn't want to.18:50:00
@inference:tchncs.deinference99 compiled, but 100 won't. Tried 99 again and that won't now. So all FF compiles are broken for me.18:50:27
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKieloI wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox.20:03:33
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKielo * I wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night, at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox.20:03:50
@inference:tchncs.deinference
In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
I wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox.

I'm using a 2C/4T Athlon and can compile my entire system within around 6 hours without including LLVM, GCC, Firefox, or Rust.

With those, around 12 hours.

20:06:35
@inference:tchncs.deinferenceThat's 668 packages.20:06:52
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKieloAlright, I think that I'm good without. 20:07:39
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKieloAt least for now. Maybe I will setup it later but I will figure it out once I have gotten the laptop functional etc.20:08:39
@inference:tchncs.deinference
In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
Alright, I think that I'm good without.

I intentionally built a low-end system just to prove a point that you don't need high-end hardware to use Gentoo.

I've had zero issues. Sure, you wait longer, but do you really need to compile 2 hours worth or packages every day?

Most packages take less than 5 minutes to install for me.

20:08:42
@inference:tchncs.deinference *

I intentionally built a low-end system just to prove a point that you don't need high-end hardware to use Gentoo.

I've had zero issues. Sure, you wait longer, but do you really need to compile 2 hours worth of packages every day?

Most packages take less than 5 minutes to install for me.

20:09:26
@parona:matrix.orgparonatry out a two core atom, thats peak gentoo experience20:11:37
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKieloYeah, I mean even like 10 years back the computational power was nothing compared what we have now and Gentoo was around just like now. I know most packages don't take too long but I had no idea whether it will take 12 hours or 12 days.20:11:52
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKielo * Yeah, I mean even like 10 years back the computing power was nothing compared what we have now and Gentoo was around just like now. I know most packages don't take too long but I had no idea whether it will take 12 hours or 12 days.20:12:24
@parona:matrix.orgparonaeven on that atom machine gcc at worst would take like 1 day20:12:37
@inference:tchncs.deinference
In reply to @parona:matrix.org
try out a two core atom, thats peak gentoo experience
BTW, I've used this 2 core without SMT.
20:12:50
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKielo
In reply to @parona:matrix.org
even on that atom machine gcc at worst would take like 1 day
That's not honestly too bad.
20:12:59
@inference:tchncs.deinferenceAdds no more than 30 seconds to compiles typically.20:13:04
@parona:matrix.orgparona
In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
That's not honestly too bad.
like on that machine you had to use -j1 as the swap trashing was horrid on the meager ram
20:13:45
@kielo:the-apothecary.clubKieloHmmmm, sounds fun. 🙃20:14:25
@parona:matrix.orgparona * even on that atom machine gcc (no pgo or lto of course) at worst would take like 1 day20:15:02
@inference:tchncs.deinference

I'm using Athlon 200GE (2C/4T) @ 3.20 GHz and 8 GiB single-channel RAM with 8 GiB swap.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: cores and frequency are overrated. Unless you're compiling every 10 seconds all day, you don't need a Ryzen 5+ etc.

20:15:15
@inference:tchncs.deinferenceI could have gotten an R9 with 64 GiB RAM. Chose to save my money and energy bill, as well as making it easier to replace components if they break.20:15:50
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@ky0u_:matrix.orgKY0U-ABut it's seeing genkernel compile in minutes that makes it worth it21:26:34
@abuse-management:neko.devAbuse Management banned @judithbnks:matrix.org@judithbnks:matrix.org (spam).21:33:25
@inference:tchncs.deinference
In reply to @ky0u_:matrix.org
But it's seeing genkernel compile in minutes that makes it worth it
I compile my own kernel in 15 minutes.
21:55:27
@inference:tchncs.deinferenceSame Athlon.21:55:34
@jroy:matrix.jroy.caJulienA custom kernel compiles much faster than genkernel though, since genkernel compiles a whole lot of modules22:26:42

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