| 17 May 2022 |
 inference | In reply to @wjvcyxnsbj:mozilla.org
?_? the much better? you mean your favourite browser? For security, no. Chromium wins without competition.
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
I won't go into detail here since that's what #gentoo-hardening:matrix.org is for. | 18:49:07 |
 mei | oh, better in terms of security, interesting | 18:49:27 |
| inference | But yeah, looks like I'll have to take the Flatpak route. What's weird is it worked before and now randomly doesn't want to. | 18:50:00 |
| inference | 99 compiled, but 100 won't. Tried 99 again and that won't now. So all FF compiles are broken for me. | 18:50:27 |
 Kielo | I wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox. | 20:03:33 |
| Kielo | * I wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night, at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox. | 20:03:50 |
| inference | In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
I wonder if I actually need to set up cross-compiling at all. It seems that I can probably update the whole system within a night at least if I use bin packages at least for rust and firefox. I'm using a 2C/4T Athlon and can compile my entire system within around 6 hours without including LLVM, GCC, Firefox, or Rust.
With those, around 12 hours. | 20:06:35 |
| inference | That's 668 packages. | 20:06:52 |
| Kielo | Alright, I think that I'm good without. | 20:07:39 |
| Kielo | At least for now. Maybe I will setup it later but I will figure it out once I have gotten the laptop functional etc. | 20:08:39 |
| inference | In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
Alright, I think that I'm good without. I intentionally built a low-end system just to prove a point that you don't need high-end hardware to use Gentoo.
I've had zero issues. Sure, you wait longer, but do you really need to compile 2 hours worth or packages every day?
Most packages take less than 5 minutes to install for me. | 20:08:42 |
| inference | * I intentionally built a low-end system just to prove a point that you don't need high-end hardware to use Gentoo.
I've had zero issues. Sure, you wait longer, but do you really need to compile 2 hours worth of packages every day?
Most packages take less than 5 minutes to install for me. | 20:09:26 |
 parona | try out a two core atom, thats peak gentoo experience | 20:11:37 |
| Kielo | Yeah, I mean even like 10 years back the computational power was nothing compared what we have now and Gentoo was around just like now. I know most packages don't take too long but I had no idea whether it will take 12 hours or 12 days. | 20:11:52 |
| Kielo | * Yeah, I mean even like 10 years back the computing power was nothing compared what we have now and Gentoo was around just like now. I know most packages don't take too long but I had no idea whether it will take 12 hours or 12 days. | 20:12:24 |
| parona | even on that atom machine gcc at worst would take like 1 day | 20:12:37 |
| inference | In reply to @parona:matrix.org
try out a two core atom, thats peak gentoo experience BTW, I've used this 2 core without SMT. | 20:12:50 |
| Kielo | In reply to @parona:matrix.org
even on that atom machine gcc at worst would take like 1 day That's not honestly too bad. | 20:12:59 |
| inference | Adds no more than 30 seconds to compiles typically. | 20:13:04 |
| parona | In reply to @kielo:the-apothecary.club
That's not honestly too bad. like on that machine you had to use -j1 as the swap trashing was horrid on the meager ram | 20:13:45 |
| Kielo | Hmmmm, sounds fun. 🙃 | 20:14:25 |
| parona | * even on that atom machine gcc (no pgo or lto of course) at worst would take like 1 day | 20:15:02 |
| inference | I'm using Athlon 200GE (2C/4T) @ 3.20 GHz and 8 GiB single-channel RAM with 8 GiB swap.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: cores and frequency are overrated. Unless you're compiling every 10 seconds all day, you don't need a Ryzen 5+ etc. | 20:15:15 |
| inference | I could have gotten an R9 with 64 GiB RAM. Chose to save my money and energy bill, as well as making it easier to replace components if they break. | 20:15:50 |
|  californiatokens joined the room. | 20:43:32 |
 KY0U-A | But it's seeing genkernel compile in minutes that makes it worth it | 21:26:34 |
|  Abuse Management banned  @judithbnks:matrix.org (spam). | 21:33:25 |
| inference | In reply to @ky0u_:matrix.org
But it's seeing genkernel compile in minutes that makes it worth it I compile my own kernel in 15 minutes. | 21:55:27 |
| inference | Same Athlon. | 21:55:34 |
 Julien | A custom kernel compiles much faster than genkernel though, since genkernel compiles a whole lot of modules | 22:26:42 |
