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| social.coop open chatroom | 400 Members |
| Channel for real time discussions among members of the https://social.coop/ user-owned corner of the fediverse (or anyone interested) | 60 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 14 Jan 2025 | ||
 flancian ð | I am asking if the community would object to waiting some days until we have a backup of the more than 500 relationships that will be severed when we suspend, and the CWG (our stewards of community building) review the results. I don't see why this needs to be inflammatory. All confrontational language is a distraction from what we need to achieve here IMHO: an outcome that is minimally hurtful to all parties within reason. | 23:12:50 |
| flancian ð | I don't see this as related to scale of the instance but rather number of the relationships cut. I don't think any instance suspension has had such impact before (please correct me if I'm wrong/something like this happened before my time). | 23:13:47 |
| flancian ð | Finally, can we acknowledge I voted to suspend and not to grant an exception to our policies and I'm acting under the working assumption the first vote will pass and the second will not? In which way do you think I am misreading, mishandling or worsening the situation @3wc:autonomic.zone? Thank you for clarifying. | 23:18:28 |
| flancian ð | * I don't see this as related to scale of the instance but rather number of the relationships cut. I don't think any instance suspension has had such impact before (please correct me if I'm wrong/something like this happened before my time). Note also it was the CWG who asked to wait until after the monthly meeting to enforce. | 23:21:11 |
 Evan Boehs |  Download ima_70c9903.jpeg | 23:28:25 |
| Evan Boehs | In reply to @dphiffer:matrix.orgGave it a go | 23:28:30 |
 ansate | <3 Flancian - thanks for all you do. I'm sorry this week has been so frustrating | 23:31:30 |
| flancian ð | In reply to @ansate:yak.atomized.orgthank you Melissa! I appreciate that a lot! don't worry, it's all fine, it has felt like work but I think this is just a side effect of how sensitive a topic this is because of how it interacts with personal experience and what feels like a safe space to each individual. | 23:34:04 |
| flancian ð | * thank you Melissa! I appreciate that a lot! don't worry, it's all fine, it has felt like work but I think this is just a side effect of how sensitive a topic this is because of how it interacts with personal experience and each individual's definition of safe space. | 23:34:33 |
| ansate | yes! we have alllll had a lot of big feelings about it | 23:35:27 |
| ansate | I made hollie chat with me in real time to feel out how I wanted to vote | 23:35:42 |
| 15 Jan 2025 | ||
 afewbugs | I'd definitely be up for migrating if we did! Currently on pixelfed.de but will probably get booted off if the import function ever works properly and my footage of Palestinie demos with slogans illegal in Germany loads | 14:56:51 |
 Jorge | In reply to @flancian:matrix.orgI think you made a good call there. Seeing the past moderation numbers (allows no real cases of needed intervention), it looks like right now, rushing the process would have more impact than taking it slow. Even if doing it carefully makes the process somewhat slower, it seems the right thing to do. | 15:09:41 |
| Jorge | * I think you made a good call there. Seeing the past moderation numbers (almost no real cases of needed intervention), it looks like right now, rushing the process would have more impact than taking it slow. Even if doing it carefully makes the process somewhat slower, it seems the right thing to do. | 15:10:43 |
| Jorge | I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think interactions in/with Threads are going to change in a couple of weeks just because their policy changed. | 15:14:10 |
 3wc ~ they/them | flancian ð: I think it might help for us to have a quick call about it, text (and instant message especially) is quite a difficult medium. and i think it'if you're willing, maybe someone would be willing to join us to help facilitate? | 15:27:28 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | * flancian ð: I think it might help for us to have a quick call about it, text (and instant message especially) is quite a difficult medium. and i it's important to me that you feel valued and respected in your work. it'if you're willing, maybe someone would be down to join us to help facilitate? | 15:27:48 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | in the meantime I'll say that I meant "pushing" as a neutral description. maybe "autonomously enacting" would have been clearer | 15:28:33 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | and, on the technical issue around backing up follow relationships which would be severed by defederation: I discovered today that mastodon has this feature. on another server I'm on I got this notification:
which linked to | 15:40:21 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | I'll also be happy to spend a few minutes making a script to export follow relationship data | 15:40:49 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | so I don't think the backup needs to delay anything ð | 15:40:57 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | * so I don't think the desire for a backup needs to delay anything ð | 15:41:02 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | * )and, on the technical issue around backing up follow relationships which would be severed by defederation: I discovered today that mastodon has this feature. on another server I'm on I got this notification:
(I think it was a little different, it included the actual domain of the server. but the notification disappeared and I can't find the message I saw in the mastodon source ðĪŠ) which linked to | 15:41:56 |
 dphiffer | I'm willing to facilitate, if you're looking for volunteers. But I also wonder if this is something CWG ops could formally offer, like a 1:1 facilitation for members to help work out sticky subjects. | 15:43:12 |
 edsu | Oh interesting, thanks for that info 3wc ~ they/them -- if the documentation is to be trusted we should be able to download these severed relationships here? https://social.coop/severed_relationships | 15:53:29 |
| edsu | * Oh interesting, thanks for that info 3wc ~ they/them -- if the documentation is to be trusted we should be able to download previously followed Threads accounts here? https://social.coop/severed_relationships | 15:54:03 |
| dphiffer | Could we do a test case, like suspend a single user instance and see what it looks like? | 15:54:19 |
| 3wc ~ they/them | In reply to @dphiffer:matrix.org100% agree it'd be wonderful to have a structure. given that you've offered, then if Flancian is willing I have a slight preference for going ahead, then working to establish what the CWG offer for future, given that this situation is ongoing. | 16:12:46 |
| Jorge | Question about the ongoing vote, as I'm new to Loomio: I expected to see arguments that could help me understand the different perspectives before voting, but I just see that people have voted, no other comments. Where is the debate taking place, apart of some comments in this chat? Or are people just not commenting on this? | 16:20:54 |
| Jorge | In reply to @eldelacajita:matrix.orgMy bad, just saw them at the bottom of the thread. | 16:30:41 |