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Peter VĂĄgner | Hello all, Perhaps you do already know this however I'd like to mention it here too in case we might like to discuss it. Fractal the GTK4 based matrix client for linux becomes very accessible for its next version 6.1. Accessibility improvements are being worked on by KĂŠvin Commaille and LukĂĄĹĄ Tyrichtr. | 07:32:17 |
Matthew | very cool. we also have accessibility work due over the next few months | 07:49:39 |
Matthew | unsure whether itâs been scoped yet | 07:49:49 |
Matthew | but now might be a good time to remind the biggest issues on element a11y | 07:50:09 |
Peter VĂĄgner | Matthew As far as I understand technically element is also verry accessible on the web, on the desktop and on android. However people from the community are hoping for a change regarding timeline ux when using with the keyboard and screen readers on the web and on the desktop. Other main stream apps such as facebook messenger, slack, discord, microsoft teams and similar other chat apps allow navigating on the timeline either with arrow keys or dedicated keyboard commands. Element web and Element desktop is designed in a way so this functionality is not addressed in the app and instead screen reader users are advised to use screen reader features for this. And unfortunatelly this approach turns out not to be generally acceptable by the most of screen reader users. It's great most of them are gently saying Element is more difficult to use than the other chat apps instead of saying they don't like that aspect. | 08:03:58 |
Peter VĂĄgner | Element is most likelly also very accessible with voice over on IOS as well I assume. It's that I can't test it personally so I am not making comments related to that. | 08:08:54 |
bgt lover | yes, the biggest gripe rn I have with the element clients is what has previously been mentioned, and what I tryed to outline a solution for in the past, however because I don't know frontend development, I'm not sure if it could be fezable. In conclusion, element works relatively well as it does now, but if you want to make it even better, here are afew things which should be done:
That's about it. I'm sorry for the rant and the long list, but I sincerely hope that's everything, and that those small issues could be fixed soon enough. Then, I could recommend this to more people, and who knows, maybe some of the community could leave our specific technology behind, and switch to this instead | 09:50:24 |
Peter VĂĄgner | bgt lover Fractal addresses a lot of these as I am running it for a few days now. Are you running it too? | 10:17:32 |
Peter VĂĄgner | Although frankly speaking Fractal now has an opposite issue. There's no way on how to read a message by word, by line and similar. | 10:21:20 |
modulus | @bgtlover:stealthy.club: Overall agree, my solution to this is Thunderbird, but that's missing a lot of matrix capabilities. | 10:22:56 |
Peter VĂĄgner | Thunderbird also displays timeline content in a way that screen reader features have to be used for reading it. I guess it's easier than element because it lacks a lot of features. | 10:26:59 |
modulus | Yes, also much more responsive to the screen reader. | 10:49:59 |
bgt lover | In reply to @pvagner:pvagner.tkyes, I am | 11:02:06 |
bgt lover | In reply to @pvagner:pvagner.tkwell, that's how we had it in the native days too, probably copying the message would be best | 11:02:32 |
bgt lover | In reply to @modulus:matrix.orgyeah, but tb also has the same issue as element regarding that | 11:02:59 |
bgt lover | In reply to @modulus:matrix.orgthat's a bit subjective, but at least with orca, I couldn't find a way to press a key combo to get only the message bodies spoken | 11:03:37 |
Matthew | thanks all for the comprehensive answers; this is super useful and frankly we are incredibly lucky to have a community who can help guide us (as unfortunately we donât have folks on the core team yet who use screen readers, although we do have folks who have partially specialised in working on a11y) | 11:10:22 |
Matthew | and one of the advantages of pretty much all of elementâs customers being governments is that they are all very keen to fund a11y work | 11:10:54 |
Matthew | i have a feeling the current planned work may be around shortcuts and wcag AAa | 11:11:20 |
Matthew | * i have a feeling the current planned work may be around shortcuts and wcag AAA | 11:11:24 |
Matthew | on element web/desktop | 11:11:44 |
Matthew invited Danielle đď¸. | 11:13:00 | |
Matthew invited Volker Junginger [back 27.5.]. | 11:13:01 | |
Matthew | but will try to see if we can improve the situation as described above. | 11:13:26 |