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Coordination around P2P Matrix experiments 🧪 | iOS demo at https://testflight.apple.com/join/Tgh2MEk6 | Android 10+ demo at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uK_BcHGiAYHkN6OAA7P73obAquwShRg5387 Servers

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21 Oct 2021
@katanakdubs:matrix.katanakdubs.comkatanakdubs* ~Yes I did~ nope used build 86 missed 8702:33:24
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras katanakdubs: weird I don't see any new messages in 86 nor 87. Maybe the problem is on my side. 02:38:30
@katanakdubs:matrix.katanakdubs.comkatanakdubs
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katanakdubs: weird I don't see any new messages in 86 nor 87. Maybe the problem is on my side.
Just sent another one in 86 at-mentioning you. Maybe an init sync will yield results on your end? Could still be me though lol
02:44:55
@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigras katanakdubs: I got them. the old ones too I think. I reacted to some of them. 02:49:55
@katanakdubs:matrix.katanakdubs.comkatanakdubs
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katanakdubs: I got them. the old ones too I think. I reacted to some of them.
Awesome thank you for your help! Excited for the project 😄
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@bbigras:matrix.orgbbigrasYou're welcome. Yeah me too. :)02:51:13
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@_neb_github_=40neilalexander=3amatrix.org:matrix.orgGithub [@neilalexander:matrix.org] [matrix-org/pinecone] neilalexander closed pull request #14: Cryptographically secured bootstraps/setups [closed] - https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone/pull/14 12:28:57
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22 Oct 2021
@olanod:virto.communityDaniel joined the room.08:12:48
@olanod:virto.communityDanielHi! just wanted to say hi and that this initiative is awesome and the reason I became a patreon for a while now. 08:17:32
@olanod:virto.communityDanielI'm a bit curious about the in-device homeservers, how does the intermittence in connectivity affect the sync and receiving messages? 08:19:17
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexander
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I'm a bit curious about the in-device homeservers, how does the intermittence in connectivity affect the sync and receiving messages?
Right now this is a rather real issue — right now things only really work when both sides are online (or if there's another homeserver in the room that provides backfill, but that might be much slower)
08:21:46
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderTo some extent, Matrix protocol changes might alleviate things a little bit, but I don't think we will ever fully escape the fact that there will need to be some nodes for a given room that are online much more often (if not all the time, ideally) for the user experience to not be awful08:23:34
@olanod:virto.communityDanielI see, is it something that portable identities can help if a user has their in-device homeserver but also an always online one in some random domain? what about being offline for long periods of time, like not opening a web client that is also a homeserver for a week or so, does it first have to fully sync or something before serving requests?08:28:22
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderThat's one of the hopes with Portable Identities yes — that a user might be able to have a more persistently-online presence on another machine somewhere. At the moment in the P2P demos, when a device comes back online, it sends out an EDU to servers that it knows about saying "I'm alive again!" and that prompts their federation senders to send them anything that they had queued, but if the servers waiting to send those things are also offline then obviously that has no effect really 08:30:27
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderSo there isn't much of an "initial sync" really at this point, there's no active negotiation to say "I'm this far behind" at this stage (but we will inevitably need it)08:30:45
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderWe're going to have to re-think quite a lot about the federation protocol one way or another, whereas the current P2P demos just kinda shoe-horn today's federation protocol, warts and all08:31:09
@olanod:virto.communityDanielInteresting! anyway will be nice to see this initiative evolve and hopefully contribute in some way :) 08:36:45
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderIf you like to live your life DANGEROUSLY and ON THE EDGE, then you'll love... build 88: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uK_BcHGiAYHkN6OAA7P73obAquwShRg510:59:57
@nekit:nekit.tknekitSpectacular phone explosion incoming? 💥11:06:02
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderThe only explosions will be those of peer-to-peer joy11:06:22
@neilalexander:matrix.orgneilalexanderIn other news, Pinecone documentation is starting to appear in https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone/wiki14:14:47

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