| 6 Dec 2022 |
 knoppix | one more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to he a termminal. I have a very good experience with "foot" | 07:03:14 |
| knoppix | starts inmediately, no consumes ressources at all | 07:03:37 |
 tidip | knoppix: that's a very useful feedback | 08:27:54 |
| knoppix | * one more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to be a terminal app. I have a very good experience with "foot" | 08:29:03 |
| knoppix | * one more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to be a terminal app. I have a very good experience with "foot" instead | 08:30:41 |
| knoppix | and as the stock calculator app I would recommend x48. Because starts much more rapidly too | 08:32:22 |
| knoppix | the problem for the most of ppl would be the RPN style... | 08:32:43 |
 a-wai | In reply to @mdsmds:matrix.org
Short answer: no.
Long answer:
- Tons is broken out of the box with no fix (battery life management gives you less than an hour with screen on use sometimes)
- Fixable problems with major tweaking with the terminal and installing custom compiled call library stack ( to fix call audio and receiving calls during suspend)
- Apps are misconfigured by default (Lollipop and media layers will not play media files if you open files with them out of the box)
- other stuff requires weird work arounds (only way to import contacts file is to download Evolution to import contacts vcard file then delete afterwards as interface broken on mobile)
- Missing crucial apps that do not have broken interfaces on mobile (Geary is the only email gui I know works and it is missing from Mobian repos).
- Apps not installed by default even though it is a phone (voicemail app you must install yourself and use terminal to set it to start with systemd)
- Oh, and to install Mobian in the first place you have to learn how to replace/install the SPI bootloader, if you use PinePhone Pro and potentially your way around the circuit board to short contacts if need be.
If you like a hobby and put in the work and consider using @Biktorgj:matrix.org modem and full calling stack and go through dependency hell getting Geary from a different channel to work, and comfortable with bash modifying system files, etc. then you can sort of use mobian as a phone if battery life less than 2 hours with screen on use is ok.
That may be a bit too harsh 😥
- is definitely device-dependent, as the chips used in current Linux phones are really power-hungry, but SDM845 devices have much better battery life, even without suspend
- what custom compiled call library stack? it all just works for lots of people, so I'd appreciate more details (and even better, a proper bug report if there's a real bug here)
- the best way to move this forward would be to open issues against upstream apps not behaving how they should
- no longer true
- no longer true as of today (yes, geary just migrated back to testing 🎉 )
- visual voicemail is only useful to a handful of users, hence it being not installed by default; this can be reconsidered, feel free to open an issue to discuss that specific point
- with tow-boot installer images this is really easy and reliable, I don't see why this would be a blocker (plus, recent PPPs come with tow-boot preinstalled IIRC)
Bottom line is, yes it's still far from perfect, and yes you'll encounter annoying bugs and limitations at times; however, most of the time it "just works" as long as you have "reasonable" expectations (calls, sms, browsing, emails, music player) and don't expect a full replacement for all your proprietary mobile apps (social networks, banking, whatever-app-you-like)
| 08:59:05 |
| a-wai | I know I'm not an example of a newbie Linux user, but I've been running Mobian as my daily driver since March 2020 (back when it wasn't even called Mobian actually 😉 ). I admit the 1st year of it was complicated and I got a bunch of mocking comments, but it's definitely usable now (and I rarely get any mocking comment at all now) | 09:01:19 |
| knoppix | a-wai what do you use as music player? | 09:05:32 |
| knoppix | mpd+somethin? | 09:05:43 |
| a-wai | nope, lollypop, it works just fine for me (I'm the kind of person with a well-organized/tagged music library I've been looking after for decades) | 09:07:51 |
| knoppix | does it consume few power? | 09:10:31 |
| a-wai | No idea, but I'm not sure there would be much difference across media players regarding power consumption | 09:12:30 |
| knoppix | what I love of mpv is the mprism compatibility. So you can change and control the playlist from the BT earpods directly | 09:12:49 |
| knoppix | but still didnt try this on PP | 09:12:58 |
| knoppix | but it should work | 09:13:05 |
| a-wai | lollypop also has mpris support | 09:13:40 |
| knoppix | * what I love of mpv is the mpris compatibility. So you can change and control the playlist from the BT earpods directly | 09:13:39 |
| knoppix | great | 09:17:21 |
| knoppix | will try it | 09:17:24 |
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| 妖夢 | https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=desktopenvironments&s[]=lomiri#lomiri i want to try lomiri, its listed but theres no instructions, does anyone know how? | 10:54:50 |
 spaetz | In reply to @kyouma:matrix.manji.duckdns.org
https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=desktopenvironments&s[]=lomiri#lomiri i want to try lomiri, its listed but theres no instructions, does anyone know how? If there are no instructions, no one has managed to run it and/or bothered to document it. | 11:36:38 |
| spaetz | geary is back? Good to know | 11:37:52 |
| spaetz | mobian will toot about this in a bit | 11:38:03 |
 Mobot II | New toot by Mobian: AAAND... 🎺 geary is back in Debian, so geary v43 can be installed on mobian now without resorting to flatpacks and other workarounds.... https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/geary
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| a-wai | In reply to @mobot:sspaeth.de
New toot by Mobian: AAAND... 🎺 geary is back in Debian, so geary v43 can be installed on mobian now without resorting to flatpacks and other workarounds.... https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/geary
Which means I can finally restore geary as a default package for future images :) | 14:46:49 |
