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6 Dec 2022
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixone more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to he a termminal. I have a very good experience with "foot"07:03:14
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixstarts inmediately, no consumes ressources at all07:03:37
@telegram_1230094359:t2bot.iotidipknoppix: that's a very useful feedback08:27:54
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppix* one more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to be a terminal app. I have a very good experience with "foot"08:29:03
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppix* one more tipp: kgx is very slow and cpu hungry to be a terminal app. I have a very good experience with "foot" instead08:30:41
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixand as the stock calculator app I would recommend x48. Because starts much more rapidly too08:32:22
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixthe problem for the most of ppl would be the RPN style...08:32:43
@a-wai:matrix.orga-wai
In reply to @mdsmds:matrix.org

Short answer: no.

Long answer:

  1. Tons is broken out of the box with no fix (battery life management gives you less than an hour with screen on use sometimes)
  2. Fixable problems with major tweaking with the terminal and installing custom compiled call library stack ( to fix call audio and receiving calls during suspend)
  3. Apps are misconfigured by default (Lollipop and media layers will not play media files if you open files with them out of the box)
  4. other stuff requires weird work arounds (only way to import contacts file is to download Evolution to import contacts vcard file then delete afterwards as interface broken on mobile)
  5. Missing crucial apps that do not have broken interfaces on mobile (Geary is the only email gui I know works and it is missing from Mobian repos).
  6. Apps not installed by default even though it is a phone (voicemail app you must install yourself and use terminal to set it to start with systemd)
  7. Oh, and to install Mobian in the first place you have to learn how to replace/install the SPI bootloader, if you use PinePhone Pro and potentially your way around the circuit board to short contacts if need be.

If you like a hobby and put in the work and consider using @Biktorgj:matrix.org modem and full calling stack and go through dependency hell getting Geary from a different channel to work, and comfortable with bash modifying system files, etc. then you can sort of use mobian as a phone if battery life less than 2 hours with screen on use is ok.

That may be a bit too harsh 😥

  1. is definitely device-dependent, as the chips used in current Linux phones are really power-hungry, but SDM845 devices have much better battery life, even without suspend
  2. what custom compiled call library stack? it all just works for lots of people, so I'd appreciate more details (and even better, a proper bug report if there's a real bug here)
  3. the best way to move this forward would be to open issues against upstream apps not behaving how they should
  4. no longer true
  5. no longer true as of today (yes, geary just migrated back to testing 🎉 )
  6. visual voicemail is only useful to a handful of users, hence it being not installed by default; this can be reconsidered, feel free to open an issue to discuss that specific point
  7. with tow-boot installer images this is really easy and reliable, I don't see why this would be a blocker (plus, recent PPPs come with tow-boot preinstalled IIRC)

Bottom line is, yes it's still far from perfect, and yes you'll encounter annoying bugs and limitations at times; however, most of the time it "just works" as long as you have "reasonable" expectations (calls, sms, browsing, emails, music player) and don't expect a full replacement for all your proprietary mobile apps (social networks, banking, whatever-app-you-like)

08:59:05
@a-wai:matrix.orga-waiI know I'm not an example of a newbie Linux user, but I've been running Mobian as my daily driver since March 2020 (back when it wasn't even called Mobian actually 😉 ). I admit the 1st year of it was complicated and I got a bunch of mocking comments, but it's definitely usable now (and I rarely get any mocking comment at all now)09:01:19
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppix a-wai what do you use as music player? 09:05:32
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixmpd+somethin?09:05:43
@a-wai:matrix.orga-wainope, lollypop, it works just fine for me (I'm the kind of person with a well-organized/tagged music library I've been looking after for decades)09:07:51
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixdoes it consume few power?09:10:31
@a-wai:matrix.orga-waiNo idea, but I'm not sure there would be much difference across media players regarding power consumption09:12:30
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixwhat I love of mpv is the mprism compatibility. So you can change and control the playlist from the BT earpods directly09:12:49
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixbut still didnt try this on PP09:12:58
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixbut it should work09:13:05
@a-wai:matrix.orga-wailollypop also has mpris support09:13:40
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppix* what I love of mpv is the mpris compatibility. So you can change and control the playlist from the BT earpods directly09:13:39
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixgreat09:17:21
@knoppix:ru-matrix.orgknoppixwill try it09:17:24
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@kyouma:matrix.manji.duckdns.org妖夢https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=desktopenvironments&s[]=lomiri#lomiri i want to try lomiri, its listed but theres no instructions, does anyone know how?10:54:50
@spaetz:sspaeth.despaetz
In reply to @kyouma:matrix.manji.duckdns.org
https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=desktopenvironments&s[]=lomiri#lomiri i want to try lomiri, its listed but theres no instructions, does anyone know how?
If there are no instructions, no one has managed to run it and/or bothered to document it.
11:36:38
@spaetz:sspaeth.despaetzgeary is back? Good to know11:37:52
@spaetz:sspaeth.despaetzmobian will toot about this in a bit11:38:03
@mobot:sspaeth.deMobot II

New toot by Mobian:

AAAND... 🎺 geary is back in Debian, so geary v43 can be installed on mobian now without resorting to flatpacks and other workarounds....

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/geary

11:42:48
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@a-wai:matrix.orga-wai
In reply to @mobot:sspaeth.de

New toot by Mobian:

AAAND... 🎺 geary is back in Debian, so geary v43 can be installed on mobian now without resorting to flatpacks and other workarounds....

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/geary

Which means I can finally restore geary as a default package for future images :)
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