| 25 Apr 2024 |
 fon | i cant use pinephone for its unreliable durable battery | 18:04:50 |
| fon | sorry for complain, but its important | 18:05:10 |
| fon | less than one hour browsing with firefox | 18:05:55 |
 kop316 | In reply to @sicelo:matrix.org
NM and ofono work very well with each other, so the problem is almost 99% not ofono. but yeah, mobian doesn't really support ofono, so yeah. My greater point is the backend is so different that we have a) don't know that stack, and b) have no way to reliably debug it. The bug could be anywhere along that stack. Heck, my understanding is Droidian has forked GNOME control center, so the issue could even be that they didn't backport a patch that fixes something.
I think a few folks think that Mobian and Droidian are similar enough that they are interchangeable, which is why they ask here. But the reality is, it is not.
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 sicelo | 👍️ | 18:30:05 |
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 zetabeta | psa, and important. t64 packages has started to roll down into trixie/testing. it will be a headache for some ! https://micronews.debian.org/2024/1709031141.html . | 00:34:30 |
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 cbeau | In reply to @kop316:matrix.talbothome.com
My greater point is the backend is so different that we have a) don't know that stack, and b) have no way to reliably debug it. The bug could be anywhere along that stack. Heck, my understanding is Droidian has forked GNOME control center, so the issue could even be that they didn't backport a patch that fixes something.
I think a few folks think that Mobian and Droidian are similar enough that they are interchangeable, which is why they ask here. But the reality is, it is not.
good to know. I really wish a robust phone existed that can run mobian (and it be sweet if it had a physical keyboard). AFAIK, PP and PPpro and even Librem 5 don't have reasonable battery life (and/or other issues) making them difficult to use as daily drivers. Is that right? | 01:17:29 |
 Undef | The Librem5's is ok, especially with suspend. It certainly won't be setting any records, but I'm rarely worried to go out with it. | 01:23:59 |
 Danny Colin | Undef: depends your usage. | 01:42:59 |
| Danny Colin | * Undef: depends on your usage. | 01:43:06 |
| Undef | I mean, yes. If you sit on your phone all day without a charger or you're out all day without one you obviously have far higher requirements. Then again, I'd be kinda surprised to see any linux phone surviving that kind of use right now. | 01:45:14 |
 Rosbeef Andino 🐧 | i duplicate my post here because i don't know exactly where is the source of my bug.
I dont remember where i see that but, i experiment as some others the flikering then disconection of my external screen connected to a pinebookpro dock, when it is connected to my pinephonepro and the modem is enabeled.
it's fully reapetable but i don't understand how it can be related.
do someone can help me to resove this?
...if modem is disabeled i have no problem
and sometime screen works well and i look for the modem icon and i see that it loose signal completly. | 01:57:31 |
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| kop316 | In reply to @rosbeefandino:3cmr.fr
i duplicate my post here because i don't know exactly where is the source of my bug.
I dont remember where i see that but, i experiment as some others the flikering then disconection of my external screen connected to a pinebookpro dock, when it is connected to my pinephonepro and the modem is enabeled.
it's fully reapetable but i don't understand how it can be related.
do someone can help me to resove this?
...if modem is disabeled i have no problem
and sometime screen works well and i look for the modem icon and i see that it loose signal completly. I would look in dmesg to see if there's anythign in there that could indicate what is happening | 02:28:36 |
| Rosbeef Andino 🐧 | In reply to @kop316:matrix.talbothome.com
I would look in dmesg to see if there's anythign in there that could indicate what is happening i will look for that after a fresh reboot tomorow thank you @kop316 | 02:31:20 |
| Rosbeef Andino 🐧 | 😴 | 02:31:33 |
 gio | In reply to @rosbeefandino:3cmr.fr
i duplicate my post here because i don't know exactly where is the source of my bug.
I dont remember where i see that but, i experiment as some others the flikering then disconection of my external screen connected to a pinebookpro dock, when it is connected to my pinephonepro and the modem is enabeled.
it's fully reapetable but i don't understand how it can be related.
do someone can help me to resove this?
...if modem is disabeled i have no problem
and sometime screen works well and i look for the modem icon and i see that it loose signal completly. i solved the external monior flickering for my ppp using phosh lowering the resolution | 03:35:58 |
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 spaetz | In reply to @undef:cripslock.undef.tools
I mean, yes. If you sit on your phone all day without a charger or you're out all day without one you obviously have far higher requirements. Then again, I'd be kinda surprised to see any linux phone surviving that kind of use right now. Yep, true. I guess that is mostly because there is no Linux-first device out there that is based on a SoC for mobile (ie can be energy efficient). Of course also the tooling is lacking (doze, turning off power hungry CPUs on idle etc...). The L5 would be ok if mine didn't have such a bad gps reception. It's less than useful on both of mine. | 06:04:09 |
 fil | I recently seem to have discovered that gnome-software's background activity was what was turning my op6 into a short-lived hand-warmer -- is that known behaviour, and should the default not be to have that turned off by default? | 06:13:23 |
| fil | actually, having gnome-software only check for updates when on-charge would solve that problem while keeping people up to date | 06:22:33 |
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 Marco Mattiolo | AFAIK packagekitd is also looking for updates without any UI, so gnome-software is... polling packagekitd?! | 06:38:23 |
| fil | my guess is that the settings in gnome-software are provoking packagekitd to spin its wheels annoyingly | 06:50:29 |
| fil | I've not looked into it at all, but flipping those settings was the only thing I changed, so it seems plausible that it's somehow related to the cause | 06:52:44 |
