| 17 Aug 2019 |
 Matthew | but ftr this is the direction we've been considering for Matrix. | 21:49:39 |
| Matthew | it would also have the nice side-effect that any FLOSS project that wanted Push might get Matrix for free | 21:49:49 |
| Matthew | which would be a great step in terms of having Matrix as a general purpose FLOSS messaging infrastructure for the wider world (rather than using bidirectional msging in Firebase and getting locked into Google, or whatever) | 21:50:36 |
 Mo π° | oh wow :) i didn't know that. that sounds very interesting. i wiil have to watch the video. I'm reading for the first time about CoAP π
thats definitely a very nice perspective / vision for matrix β€οΈ | 21:53:03 |
| Matthew | (btw, sputnik looks super-impressive, now i've got to a laptop and able to look at the repos :) | 21:53:04 |
| Matthew | if you look at the slides for that talk (prolly easier to flip through https://matrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2019-02-03-FOSDEM-Low-Bandwidth.pdf rather than hear me drone on) you'll see i evaluated http in various flavours (albeit not WS or SSE admittedly) and how we converged on CoAP + Noise | 21:54:02 |
| Matthew | CoAP is fun because it looks & smells like HTTP, and so maps really easily to Matrix | 21:54:12 |
| Matthew | but you also get an OBSERVE method, which lets you do SSE-style behaviour | 21:54:21 |
| Mo π° | In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
(btw, sputnik looks super-impressive, now i've got to a laptop and able to look at the repos :) thanks, but it's still in a very early stage and there is still a lot to do :) | 21:54:20 |
| Matthew | on the sync/push stuff; please please understand that matrixβs sync stuff is not intrinsically long polling at all - thatβs just the crappy default http transport | 22:01:33 |
| Matthew | https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/master/drafts/websockets.rst is a proposal and implementation for mapping it to WS for instance and using true push rather than long poll | 22:02:28 |
| Matthew | but the coap stuff obsolete that now | 22:02:35 |
| Mo π° | In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
on the sync/push stuff; please please understand that matrixβs sync stuff is not intrinsically long polling at all - thatβs just the crappy default http transport I guess I understand your point. http is currently the most pragmatic solution that just works for most clients/servers/platforms. | 22:06:32 |
| Mo π° | In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/master/drafts/websockets.rst is a proposal and implementation for mapping it to WS for instance and using true push rather than long poll oh, didn't know that. i will compare it with my current push implementation. i might find something that helps me to improve my implementation π€ | 22:08:10 |
| Mo π° | In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
but the coap stuff obsolete that now i really have to find out what coap is π sound like a silver bullet. since it's now midnight where I live, i'm going to watch the coap video tomorrow :) | 22:11:43 |
| Mo π° | i also have to go to bed now π΄ .... good night π | 22:12:44 |
| Matthew | In reply to @forgemo:mos.app
I guess I understand your point. http is currently the most pragmatic solution that just works for most clients/servers/platforms. precisely. the only reason we use it is to make it easy to write clients, and because alt transports are immature | 22:13:05 |
| Matthew | night! | 22:13:23 |
| Matthew | In reply to @forgemo:mos.app
oh, didn't know that. i will compare it with my current push implementation. i might find something that helps me to improve my implementation π€ that proposal maps the whole CS API to websockets, so it won't be very efficient for your purpose - it'd need the "only send me events for pushes!" extension to work as you want | 22:15:57 |
| Matthew | (plus as you can tell, i think you should use something like CoAP or possibly QUIC rather than ye olde websockets for push :) | 22:16:14 |
|  ππ joined the room. | 23:11:00 |
| 18 Aug 2019 |
 progserega | In reply to @forgemo:mos.app
I fixed the issue with russian text in the latest release. :) π·πΊπͺπ Thank you very match! | 00:38:51 |
|  @svenvnl:matrix.org joined the room. | 08:43:14 |
| * Matthew pleads for a s/martix/matrix/g on sputnik-messenger.com πΌ | 12:17:54 |
 tulir | register martix.org? :D | 12:26:23 |
| Mo π° | You are killing me πππππ
i will rework the whole site later today. .... It's not up to date. I also have to explain how the white label concept is supposed to work. | 12:49:51 |
| ππ | Will there be fdroid releases? | 15:14:25 |
| ππ | I don't have a google account and can't use playstore | 15:14:58 |
 Nico | Als Antwort auf @jomat:asra.gr
I don't have a google account and can't use playstore You could temporarily use https://send.firefox.com/download/029e4ce870d453df/#6YQG_mPrcgGfDMvuxwIZQw . Mo posted that link in Matrix HQ yesterday | 16:10:48 |
| ππ | thx! | 17:14:32 |
