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19 Jun 2024
@_discord_480607161576062976:t2bot.iogamingking2436 i'd be down if you're still needing someone at next week 03:35:18
@_discord_443377194345955338:t2bot.iopara J document is really bad. 03:44:17
@_discord_443377194345955338:t2bot.iopara it’s good calculator 03:44:38
@_discord_870115701279584326:t2bot.iodiscodoug The books are pretty good. 03:52:30
@loke:dhsdevelopments.comloke
In reply to @_discord_480607161576062976:t2bot.io
i'd be down if you're still needing someone at next week
If that was an answer to me, I'm always needing someone to help with the android version. If it wasn't, then please help spread the word 😀
04:14:54
@memefi:matrix.orgwar changed their display name from memefi to war.05:23:43
@_discord_443377194345955338:t2bot.iopara Best book in array lang i have read,it’s masting dyalog 800+ pdf.It’s really good quality. 07:21:31
@_discord_443377194345955338:t2bot.iopara * Best book in array lang i have read,it’s mastering dyalog 800+ pdf.It’s really good quality. 07:21:44
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila
Dyalog APL/S-64 Version 19.0.48958
Wed Jun 19 09:58:19 2024
line(63,5) : error AC0008: error (DOMAIN ERROR) executing line "     Pi←{⍵:0 ⋄ 3
::0 ⋄ 'arm'≡3↑1⊃⎕sh'uname -m'}WIN" 
                                                                     ∧
line(78,4) : error AC0008: error (VALUE ERROR) executing line "    SettingsTable
⍪←('newcmd;detection of new user commands;CmdDetect;',((1+Pi)⊃'auto' 'manual'),'
;') split';'          ⍝ automatic for all but PI" 
                                                                   ∧
Complete: 2 errors.
07:59:27
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila my Dyalog instance has decided that it will not start today 07:59:33
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila i have no clue what this is supposed to do 07:59:37
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz this is salt boot failing 08:07:39
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz running on odd hardware or os? 08:08:24
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila x86_64 Debian Sid 08:12:09
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila * x86_64 Debian Sid. in particular Notebook 20Y7003XPB (LENOVO_MT_20Y7_BU_Think_FM_ThinkPad E14 Gen 3) with the following specs:
Memory: 40GB.
Bank 0: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered). Product CT32G4SFD832A.16FB2. Slot DIMM 0. Size: 32GiB. Width: 64 bits. Clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns).
Bank 1: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered). Product 4ATF1G64HZ-3G2E1. Slot DIMM 0. Size: 8GiB. Width: 64 bits. Clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns).
Cache:
L1: 512KiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
L2: 4MiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
L3: 8MiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics. Use Google to find the specification.
OS: Linux laplace 6.8.12-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.8.12-1 (2024-05-31) x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:12:52
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila * x86_64 Debian Sid. in particular Notebook 20Y7003XPB (LENOVO_MT_20Y7_BU_Think_FM_ThinkPad E14 Gen 3) with the following specs:
Memory: 40GB.
Bank 0: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered). Product CT32G4SFD832A.16FB2. Slot DIMM 0. Size: 32GiB. Width: 64 bits. Clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns).
Bank 1: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered). Product 4ATF1G64HZ-3G2E1. Slot DIMM 0. Size: 8GiB. Width: 64 bits. Clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns).
Cache:
L1: 512KiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
L2: 4MiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
L3: 8MiB. Clock: 1GHz (1.0ns). Capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics.
OS: Linux laplace 6.8.12-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.8.12-1 (2024-05-31) x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:13:09
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz does ⎕sh'uname -m' work? 08:19:43
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila
      ⎕sh'uname -m'
x86_64
08:21:49
@_discord_480607161576062976:t2bot.iogamingking2436 that was an answer to you, but im just busy this week 13:13:54
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz Does Pi←{⍵:0 ⋄ 3 ::0 ⋄ 'arm'≡3↑1⊃⎕sh'uname -m'}0 work? 13:18:22
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila yes, it does. i restarted it and it nondeterministically started working :-). 13:19:05
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz odd 13:19:12
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila it would be nice if the error messages were better than "something went wrong, dunno, beats me" 13:19:48
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila that would make debugging nondeterministic heisenbugs much easier 13:19:59
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz Yes, SALT is notoriously bad when it comes to that. Luckily, it is slowly loosing significance. I believe I've even added an envvar that can disable it altogether. If I do my job right, 20.0 will have a non-SALT user command system, at which point SALT really isn't needed in daily life. 13:21:02
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila what's wrong with SALT in general? 13:21:55
@_discord_356107472269869058:t2bot.ioKamila * what's wrong with SALT in general? or rather what went wrong 13:22:04
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz Nothing wrong with it, other than it being old. The ability to give detailed error messages came later, and it also predates support for Unicode text files, and the ubiquity of git (it implements its own version control system). Now the interpreter can do a lot more, and so the whole architecture of SALT has outlived itself. 13:25:44
@loke:dhsdevelopments.comlokeWhat is salt?13:26:54
@_discord_651823008347979793:t2bot.ioa.brudz https://docs.dyalog.com/latest/SALT%20User%20Guide.pdf#page=7 13:27:45

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