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21 Nov 2019
13:21:38@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTiger*I feel bad for the citizens of China
13:22:04@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTiger Yeah, our CA system doesn't work too well when you have a government against you.
13:22:26@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralwell it is surely way harder there now. but I thought they can still use it via brigdes?
13:22:59@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerMaybe, but if they are caught, their Internet usage is directly linked back to you.
13:23:17@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTiger And you won't be able to get around that very easily at all.
13:23:34@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerI am referring to China requiring facial scans to get internet connection.
13:23:39@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralyeah, it is surely not easy there.
13:23:55@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralwhat?
13:24:15@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerYou can always connect to the Tor network, even if it is difficult. But if you have to hide that you are even trying, it becomes much harder.
13:24:50@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralwell similar to me is: many countries in europe require id for cell contract/prepaid - which for many is their main internet connection..
13:26:02@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerBut how restrictive is Europe when it comes to usage of Tor?
13:31:17@yaksbeard:cryptogeeks.comyaksbeardlots of yerp is getting worse and worse
13:31:35@yaksbeard:cryptogeeks.comyaksbeardfor some reason yerpeens used to like privacy... but now are making it illegal
13:31:39@yaksbeard:cryptogeeks.comyaksbeardjust depends where in yerp you are
13:40:41@reii:matrix.orgreii

The eu has been and continue making vague laws to restrict or remove anything they want such as:

“the enforcement of so-called upload filters in social media, preventing the publication of anything that might be copyrighted; and the EU Digital Services Act, which proposes the removal and regulation of whatever the EU deems to be hate speech”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/06/the-eu-a-menace-to-internet-freedom/

13:43:20@reii:matrix.orgreiitor isn’t restrictive to the average user and even if you’re buying/doing something 'against the law' i think you’re unlikely to be targeted since they mostly aim to take down the sites or arrest those running them https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/german-police-close-down-dark-web-marketplace
13:49:35@reii:matrix.orgreiifundamentally tor is just a web browser so its use isn’t going to be in any way illegal or restricted
13:51:14@reii:matrix.orgreiijust one that can access more than other browsers
13:51:21@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerTor is fundamentally a network. Someone could forbid connecting to any other servers in the network, or hosting a relay.
13:51:54@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerLooking at Tor as a browser is a misconception. The Tor Browser is just a browser that is preconfigured to use Tor and has other anti-tracking features.
13:52:48@reii:matrix.orgreiitor browser i mean. you get the point
13:52:59@mott:matrix.orgMasterOfTheTigerYou can get around Tor restrictions, but what do you do if connecting via Tor will send you to jail?
13:53:15@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeral MasterOfTheTiger: so far I do not know tough tor restrictions in eu, but combined with data retention it still might becom a problem later..
13:55:22@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralyeah that is a problem. since the danger of being caught using tor browser then has a severe impact on people's life
13:58:18@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralso in germany hackerspaces of ccc and private homes of the volunteers running the hacker space got swatted when they had exit nodes. the judges signing the search warrant knowing that they will not find anything since they know about the exit node already, but still doing it shows what message they want to deliver.. ☹️
13:59:06@reii:matrix.orgreii the gdpr law lets you request for your online info to be wiped. but its only implemented on an individual site basis – like facebook you can ask to see what info of you has been stored and you can request for it to be removed. how well it works i dont know
13:59:09@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralgood talk on that: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-10018-verhalten_bei_hausdurchsuchungen
13:59:35@reii:matrix.orgreii
In reply to @fphemeral:privacytools.io
MasterOfTheTiger: so far I do not know tough tor restrictions in eu, but combined with data retention it still might becom a problem later..
* the gdpr law lets you request for your online info to be wiped. but its only implemented on an individual site basis – like facebook you can ask to see what info of you has been stored and you can request for it to be removed. how well it works i dont know
14:00:20@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralyeah that is an interesting topic combination: onion services and gdpr 🤔
14:01:04@fphemeral:privacytools.iofphemeralbut I guess less for node maintainers, ass they just pass traffic without logging..

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