| 11 Nov 2024 |
 doesnm | In reply to@sim_g:matrix.org
Is there a matrix room dedicated to MSC ? yes, but i forgot name
like #matrix-spec:matrix.org maybe | 08:16:16 |
 S1m | Thanks, that's it :) | 08:23:39 |
|  Arthur changed their display name from Arthur - OOO till 11/10 to Arthur. | 08:52:02 |
 Matthew | does anyone have a windows machine to hand? if so, would it be possible to see if https://github.com/element-hq/element-docker-demo works on it? | 10:02:44 |
| Matthew | (i assume it should Just Work with WSL2 + Docker Desktop, but i suspect it would be easier for someone else to check O:-) | 10:03:17 |
|  Administrator banned  @omniy:matrix.org (spam). | 11:49:03 |
 spaetz | Are people interested in my installation notes of an matrix-call SFU? ie, TWIM-worthy? | 12:36:50 |
| spaetz | * Are people interested in my installation notes of an matrix-call SFU? ie, TWIM-worthy? In case yes, here is the entry. I'll let the editors make the call and am not offended if you ignore it π | 12:39:15 |
| spaetz | TWIM: Given the installation of an element call is still tricky (although there is a demo docker image now, rectifying this), here are my notes on how I installed element call on a Debian box using a mix of local services and a docker image: https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ | 12:40:32 |
 TWIM | β
Thanks for the report spaetz, I'll store your update! | 12:40:33 |
 ninchuka | In reply to @spaetz:sspaeth.de
Are people interested in my installation notes of an matrix-call SFU? ie, TWIM-worthy? In case yes, here is the entry. I'll let the editors make the call and am not offended if you ignore it π I would say it is personally xD | 12:40:51 |
| doesnm | In reply to@spaetz:sspaeth.de
TWIM: Given the installation of an element call is still tricky (although there is a demo docker image now, rectifying this), here are my notes on how I installed element call on a Debian box using a mix of local services and a docker image: https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ I'm tried to install Element Call+Conduit without Docker
At moment of installing he didn't support /request_token open id endpoint :( | 12:43:14 |
| spaetz | * TWIM: Given the installation of an element call is still tricky (although there is a demo docker image now, rectifying this), here are my notes on how I installed element call on a Debian box using a mix of local services and a docker image: https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ | 12:47:51 |
| spaetz | * TWIM: Given the installation of an element call is still tricky (although there is a demo docker image now, rectifying this), here are my notes on how I installed element call (or rather its backend) on a Debian box using a mix of local services and a docker image: https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ | 12:48:17 |
| Matthew | In reply to @spaetz:sspaeth.de
Are people interested in my installation notes of an matrix-call SFU? ie, TWIM-worthy? In case yes, here is the entry. I'll let the editors make the call and am not offended if you ignore it π definitely interested! | 13:10:03 |
| * Matthew is fed up with all the "matrix 2.0 doesn't exist i don't know how to run it" complaints and wants to fix them :) | 13:10:16 |
| * Matthew * is fed up with all the "matrix 2.0 doesn't exist because i don't know how to run it" complaints and wants to fix them :) | 13:10:23 |
| spaetz | Yeah, my instructions are a tough competition against your demo docker though π | 13:11:06 |
| * spaetz In reply to @spaetz:sspaeth.de
Yeah, my instructions are a tough competition against your demo docker though π is already waiting for: I spun up the demo docker for my 10,000 employee company and matrix sucks | 13:11:42 |
| * spaetz In reply to @spaetz:sspaeth.de
Yeah, my instructions are a tough competition against your demo docker though π * is already waiting for: "I spun up the (demo) docker for my 10,000 employee company and matrix sucks" | 13:11:59 |
 Cat | I remember Element Call being the weakest part of the stack currently from a deployment perspective | 13:11:59 |
| Cat | Considering MAS has options that are on the path to production ready that are not ESS. (ESS has some barriers to entry that some people might consider too tall and therefore completely discard that as an option for the home lab type of usecase or personal homeserver.) | 13:13:23 |
 d3v0 | Tbh other than having to use Synapse, I have been using Element Call for (~) over a year now (before and after the LiveKit branch) and it deploys fine with minimal docker knowledge :)
Crossing fingers the key rotation bug is fixed in the next versions, cuz it casually caused people entering the call not to hear each other without having to reconnect (and so was inconvenient in unstable connections/high traffic calls) | 15:13:10 |
| d3v0 | Element Call is pretty good and needs to be talked about more :) | 15:15:34 |
| Matthew | spaetz: one note on https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ - https://sspaeth.de/.well-known/element/element.json will likely be going away soon (in favour of embedding Element Call directly into the client apps). As otherwise it poses a security issue given a malicious EC widget could undermine the security of the app. | 15:19:29 |
| spaetz | I see. Good to know, I might add a note | 15:20:42 |
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| In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
spaetz: one note on https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ - https://sspaeth.de/.well-known/element/element.json will likely be going away soon (in favour of embedding Element Call directly into the client apps). As otherwise it poses a security issue given a malicious EC widget could undermine the security of the app. π Seems like Element Call wouldn't be able to be hidden or maybe disabled? | 15:22:29 |
| spaetz | In reply to @matthew:matrix.org
spaetz: one note on https://sspaeth.de/2024/11/sfu/ - https://sspaeth.de/.well-known/element/element.json will likely be going away soon (in favour of embedding Element Call directly into the client apps). As otherwise it poses a security issue given a malicious EC widget could undermine the security of the app. thanks, tweaked and polished the text a little more. | 16:49:20 |
| Matthew |
Although, nothingβs as permanent as a stopgap solutionβ¦ π
| 16:54:21 |
| Matthew | captures it perfectly :D | 16:54:24 |
