| 2 Feb 2023 |
 TWIM | ✅ Thanks for the report imbev, I'll store your update! | 19:05:53 |
 imbev | 
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| imbev | 
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 midou | it's funny because apparently reddit is going to implement matrix to their comments section (although not federated) 👀 | 19:15:21 |
 cos | Has this been twimmed yet? Sound like very interesting project https://gitlab.com/kazarma/kazarma/ | 20:00:28 |
 pierre | In reply to @cos:hacklab.fi
Has this been twimmed yet? Sound like very interesting project https://gitlab.com/kazarma/kazarma/ have you been reading about it because we thought that it was ok to follow people on activitypub that have been searched from kazarma, but it turns out that it's very frowned upon? 😬 | 20:03:26 |
| cos | Yeah, there was some confusion about what it is. I still don't fully understand myself. | 20:06:33 |
| cos | The kazar.ma instance seems down now | 20:06:54 |
| pierre | it always was. It's the staging instance that people found and started using. I didn't know we would not only discover bugs by deploying a test instance, but also social dynamics on the fediverse. pretty nice that we didn't use our beautiful root domain for that, as the staging instance is now defederated from a part of the network 😅 | 20:12:51 |
| cos | would it be possible in future to login to the bridge with mastodon acoount and use that for following and other interaction? | 20:18:33 |
| cos | maybe we should switch to #fediverse:pixie.town or #twim-offtopic-continuation:bpulse.org room to avoid spamming this one too much | 20:19:47 |
 uhoreg | People on Mastodon seem to be generally suspicious of being followed by a bot. | 20:21:19 |
| cos | They don't realize there are probably tens or hundreds of scrapers that read and store their public toots | 20:21:56 |
 Nico | In reply to @cos:hacklab.fi
They don't realize there are probably tens or hundreds of scrapers that read and store their public toots I like to pretend those don't exist | 20:22:22 |
| cos | It's a public medium, anyone can read and store anyone's messages (except private ones) | 20:22:32 |
| Nico | Or the one only visible to your followers | 20:22:47 |
| cos | Yes, but that generally requires to accept followers manually. AFAIK most users don't enable that. | 20:23:32 |
|  Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him) changed their display name from Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him) to Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him) [STATUS: AFK until 21:30 GMT). | 20:27:47 |
 Olivier 'reivilibre' | obviously the answer is just to generate a plausible-looking human feed using GPT so that they don't think you're a bot | 20:29:51 |
| Olivier 'reivilibre' | (it also confuses me how bot-allergic mastodon users are considering it's all publicly accessible ...) | 20:30:18 |
| pierre | In reply to @deepbluev7:neko.dev
Or the one only visible to your followers kazarma was not relaying "unlisted" and "followers-only" posts but I got told that some instances lock their front-end so even "public" posts may not be really public (and this is what makes "blocks" – that prevent a user from reading your posts – slightly more useful) | 20:40:26 |
| pierre | anyway it was quite stressful to get links to mastodon posts of angry people sent to me (while I knew I hadn't talked about it much). someone even sent me a GDPR request (on mastodon) | 20:43:29 |
| Nico | Guess I should turn on manual approvals for follow requests then... | 20:45:10 |
| pierre | oh I won't turn any kazarma back on with this system, the relay actor will either send a DM when a user searches for them and wait for a response, or it will wait to be followed to follow back | 20:47:20 |
| uhoreg | I wonder if peoples' reactions would have been different if they were followed by an account that represented the person following them, rather than a generic relaybot account. | 20:48:33 |
| Nico | Well, it isn't really about you or kazarma. I mostly had my account easily followable for convenience, but I have seen automatic bot follows a few times now to get around visibility settings and if that is how the world is, then I need to manually approve follows to prevent that. Instance wide privacy settings as well as privacy settings for individual posts are there for a reason and just ignoring the intent behind those is not really what I agree with. :) | 20:50:55 |
| pierre | In reply to @hubert:uhoreg.ca
I wonder if peoples' reactions would have been different if they were followed by an account that represented the person following them, rather than a generic relaybot account. it really seems so! I actually thought it would be a nice thing to make it explicit (on other AP servers you don't really know when someone follows you, that if it's the first of its instance to do it, it will make you posts appear on that instance)
but it seems there's a history of tools doing stuff with public posts, being de-federated then abandoned, so relay bots are in fact not a good idea | 20:58:52 |
| Nico | Yeah, most of the stuff I post is there for anyone to read. I just want it to be taken in the context of the other messages and time it appears in and I would prefer for people to read it instead of tools using it for purposes I didn't intend. With all the information available nowadays it is easy to just view it as data, but call me old, I just don't really like that. | 21:02:37 |
| Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him) changed their display name from Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him) [STATUS: AFK until 21:30 GMT) to Anthony Hughes (Element QA - Vancouver - he/him). | 22:11:10 |
|  Administrator banned  @royills:matrix.org (spam). | 22:58:20 |
