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 Email Notifier | hellekin <hellekin@dyne.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Projet pour un débat efficace sur internet, contributions bienvenues. View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/acb05bfb-623a-4efb-b2bd-afa950c2ba95 (French below) I think the concept is worth implementing as part of a plugin for an existing platform. I would suggest that Loomio has some similar concepts, but I do not use it so you could explore it yourself. Discourse has a very effective anti-spam working on similar principles, they call it "trust levels". See https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/ Using a combination of the Discourse Policy plugin you could implement policies in a democratic manner, then use the flag feature to resolve the "off charter posts" and dump unwanted posts and participants. I guess a simple plugin would allow to create groups an assign membership on a random basis ("lottery") to take charge of a "Debate" category for some specified amount of time -- Discourse already has "category group moderation". I would not try such an experiment at forum level because it could wreak havoc to your forum in no time if a coalition of dormant trolls access such moderating power. The idea seems interesting but I would warn about hard-writing rules to figure what is politically incorrect. Most of the laws prior to the 1950s are either good willing or racist / colonialist, and many of them following the 1970s tend to be neoliberal, verging on the fascist these days, so the law may be a good indication but not necessarily the "right one". Since this process is community-based you will probably end up having a homogenous political spectrum in your community, which is not necessarily what you want. Since you're French, you might want to have a look at https://www.cnnr.fr/, the "National Council of the New Resistance" that proposes to elaborate a post-capitalist, post-growth, post-neoliberal political program to safeguard what's left of life on Earth. In any case I would suggest you refine your idea to figure out what exactly you want to develop and the context (Loomio, Discourse, other) where you want to apply your principles. I think what you describe has much potential for facilitating online debate, but also that if you overlook the political threats, it can as well de disastrous for your community (see what happens with populism everywhere, where mob-style, lobby-piloted, prejudice-based political (lack of) thought is used instead of informed democratic debate.) If you're interested in pursuing such endeavor, I'd be happy to review your findings and proposals. | 16:46:52 |
| Email Notifier | Edward L Platt <ed@elplatt.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Project for an effective debate on the internet with a new kind of moderation, contributions welcome! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/5aa84f63-9a56-4fa9-a0a9-77183a600a14 Hi Julien! Online deliberation is such an important topic! In fact, it's the subject of my current phd research! I know of a few projects that have attempted to improve online deliberation. There are many possible approaches, so you may or may not find that one of these meets your needs, but they can all give deep insight into online deliberation. Discourse - a "civilized discourse construction kit" created by (among others) Jeff Atwood of Stack Overflow fame. Loomio - forum software with built in voting and polling features Wikum, Tilda, and PolicyKit - A collection of tools from Amy Zhang focused on collaborative summarization and governance Consider.it - deliberation software focused on pros/cons Hypothes.is - social annotation software And here's a link to some of the work I've been doing: https://medium.com/@elplatt/building-consensus-through-deliberation-in-large-collaborations-organizations-and-cooperatives-79d28c3e3acc Also, the project is no longer live, but Charlie DeTar's work on Intertwinkles is very much worth reading: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/91432 Bonne chance! Ed | 16:47:05 |
| Email Notifier | <y.vgr@free.fr> [hackerspaces] Cygne noir/Black swan : France View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/f3c7f32c-b44d-4754-880e-f50327bc6601 Hi, We started a small hackerspace in France for spreading DIY spirit and starting discussion about privacy on internet and how to include numeric in the constitution. It was 8 years ago. Now... here we are! May some people will need support. I'm too old now for this. Good luck | 16:50:11 |
| Email Notifier | Florencia Edwards <floev22@gmail.com> [hackerspaces] Your thoughts on the hack attempts of Covid Vaccine and the option of an open source vaccine View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/222dc53b-e26c-4812-9c4d-40b343b562ef Hi all, just read about the hack attempts of the vaccine secrets, and I've also been reading about the idea of an open source vaccine. What are your thoughts on what is happening in this regard? I'm invited to a podcast today to talk about this and I wanted the perspective of the hackerspace community: Here are both news as a reference: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/22/hackers-try-to-steal-covid-vaccine-secrets-in-intellectual-property-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/biohacking-online-forums-coronavirus-vaccines-testing Thanks! | 16:51:34 |
| Email Notifier | Danilo <mail@dbrgn.ch> [hackerspaces] Choosing a laser cutter, 2021 edition View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/462fa6f2-55bb-4cce-b958-8adc7b052393 Hi folks, happy new year! About five years ago, this ML discussed where to best get a laser cutter. At Coredump hackerspace we're also thinking about buying one. Here are our goals: - At least 40x60cm working area, a bit larger would be better (but <100cm) - Adjustable bed - At least 50W - Air assist - Ruida controller - Nice to have: Autofocus - Budget: Ideally around 2500 CHF / 2800 USD total cost (including shipping, modifications, etc) but 3000 CHF / 3300 USD would probably work as well The obvious choice nowadays would be the generic Chinese 50-60W Blue-White/Yellow-Black lasers by Orion Motor Tech (aka OMTECH), the bigger versions of the K40. I found a lot of good guides on YouTube[0][1] and they seem to be very affordable (as long as you're ready to do some fixing and mods yourself). However, Amazon doesn't really ship to Switzerland, and I haven't found many Ebay sellers that look serious and who ship to Switzerland. The ones I found are from non-EU eastern Europe or China, so I probably wouldn't have any advantage compared to directly ordering from China. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aChvqAA86QM [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHclUKSMzqY That reminded me of the G.Weike recommendation that a few of you posted on here in the previous e-mail thread. Their machines do seem to look very solid[2], but maybe outside our budget? (It's a bit hard to find actual prices on Alibaba.) [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4tMvWjSNs That brings me to my five questions: - In 2021, would you still recommend G.Weike, or is Orion a better deal? - Do you have links to Ebay or Alibaba sellers that ship Orion lasers internationally and with whom you've made good experiences? - Do you have a contact at G.Weike with whom you've made good experiences? - Any other laser recommendations? Cheers and have a safe 2021, Danilo | 16:59:09 |
| Email Notifier | Corinna Burkhart <corinna.burkhart@keg.lu.se> [hackerspaces] Closed Makerspaces during Corona times View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/391d36b1-e615-422d-97d2-c011d2915069 Dear maker, hacker, mender, tinkerer This is a call for you to take part in a survey. Given the current pandemic situation, where many makerspaces are closed to slow down the spread of Covid-19, this survey provides a space for you to share your thoughts. How do you experience this situation, where you are unable to visit your local makerspace or open workshop? The survey is part of a research project at the Department of Human Geography in Lund, Sweden. Here you find the survey and as well as further information: https://sunet.artologik.net/lu/Survey/32011/en Please share the invitation with others who might have something to say on the matter. I'm looking forward to receiving your answers! Corinna | 17:03:22 |
| Email Notifier | Alfie Pates <alfie@alfiepates.me> [hackerspaces] Clever Solutions for Cleaning External Sash Windows View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/c1435036-da10-4da8-ab63-86bb1c80e36a *TL;DR: What non-fall-arrest-requring ways would you suggest cleaning the exterior of the fixed half of a sash window?* Hi folks, I've finally outgrown the flat opp. Summerhall, so I'm moving! This means I need need to tackle the elephant that is clean my windows. In normal non-*gestures at the whole situation* times, I'd probably just harness up and borrow the appropriate temporary fall arrest gear from work - perhaps buy my upstairs neighbors a case of beer in return for letting me put a pair of parapet clamp anchors on their window sill, or a doorjamb anchor, or something similar. However - there is a pandemic on and it's been a year since I've done *any* work at height, let alone actually doing any complex ropework, so I turn to the ehlab-and-adjacent hivemind - how would you attack this problem? Cheers, A_______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss | 17:06:36 |
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> [hackerspaces] 3/18 18:00 UTC Hackerspace Meeting / Say Hello View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/a53113da-1e75-4f98-920c-a6b149a36570 A discussion on IRC (#hackerspaces @ Freenode) has led to a planned online meeting. Mark your calendars for an informal get together: *2021-03-18 18:00 UTC* To make the time zone insanity work for everyone: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Meetup&iso=20210318T18&p1=1440 *Agenda / Notes to be kept here:* https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Meetings Add a topic if you have something to share/gather ideas for. Somebody will reply to this with the platform and information on how to join, I've fulfilled my obligation to send an e-mail to the list :-) Chris | 17:06:48 |
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> Re: [hackerspaces] 3/18 18:00 UTC Hackerspace Meeting / Say Hello View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/df1d2eaa-f4d3-44a3-8a92-82728ae9b86c *T-3:10* *2021-03-18 18:00 UTC* To make the time zone insanity work for everyone: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Meetup&iso=20210318T18&p1=1440 *Join here:* https://talk.fdn.fr/hackerspaces20210318 *Agenda / Notes to be kept here:* https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Meetings Chris | 17:07:17 |
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> Re: [hackerspaces] 3/18 18:00 UTC Hackerspace Meeting / Say Hello View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/7308c7ae-3ba2-4f12-a639-37d8ca1d6fb8 Update, we're going to use: https://bbb.faimaison.net/html5client/join?sessionToken=n5lryszml8fmkzuh for better quality Chris | 17:07:32 |
| Email Notifier | metabaron <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Projet pour un débat efficace sur internet, contributions bienvenues. View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/c4b57d35-cebf-48b7-a8f5-2eeddc34e40b Yo. Sujet passionnant. j'ai fait un flash talk sur ça au THSF 2015 ou 14 j'ai zappé l'année. étant programmeur et mécontent du système d'elections actuel... j'ai pensé à quelques solutions possibles. un site européen ayant pour but de contruire une base de sujets/questions +arguments m'a surpris en ayant la même idée que moi (je vais chercher l'URL). j'avais acheté le domaine decidea.org et en un an il m'a été impossible de programmer le moindre prototype pour des raisons perso. j'ai laché l'affaire et zappé. je n'ai pas encore lu vos mails mais je réponds direct : https://fr.wikidebates.org/ vous connaissez au moins !? non ? ;) my 2 cents. | 18:27:11 |
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> Re: [hackerspaces] 3/18 18:00 UTC Hackerspace Meeting / Say Hello View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/9d1fee6a-5d6e-4dd3-80c8-3211ecdbce27 An update, you can join here: https://talk.fdn.fr/hackerspaces20210318 Sorry for the back and forth, glad to see the e-mail list is working again :-) Chris | 18:35:32 |
| 22 Mar 2021 | ||
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> [hackerspaces] Moin View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/f4886eb6-18b3-49cf-a714-f3b947b34c0a Testing to see if the mailing list is functioning again. Chris | 17:43:56 |
| Email Notifier | Joshua Pritt <ramgarden@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Moin View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/ab78a5a1-d879-44ba-ba5c-17d628515468 Yup. | 17:46:50 |
| Email Notifier | William Saturno <wsaturno@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Moin View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/72de35b2-6a7a-457d-a83b-74020cbd6184 👍 | 17:49:52 |
| Email Notifier | David Potocnik <david.potocnik@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Moin View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/3fb6c62a-5752-4e73-9321-d0566586dc8d Moin! Seems so! \o/ | 21:21:13 |
| Email Notifier | Louis David Venancio <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Projet pour un débat efficace sur internet, contributions bienvenues. View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/33ac54bc-072e-448e-9e28-3e5fc327d1be Hi ! (just noticed the that the discussion was a bit old, nvm, it's cool.) Sorry about not speaking english. This thread is about "decision making with the help of software". Huuuuuge subject, even treated in movies, animes, books, etc. (do we need IA for this ?) I'v found the software I'm talking about below : echo.to. the website seems to have disapeared surely because of RoR ! ;D not kidding, the project took some money from EU and disapeared ! that's not cool at all. I'v found traces of it on way back machine : https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://echo.to The project code is still online on github : https://github.com/echosystem/echo Anyway, "WikiDebats" is better and alive ! Big up to the people behind it ! <3 ! https://fr.wikidebates.org/wiki/Portail:D%C3%A9bats (one of my favorite question is : https://fr.wikidebates.org/wiki/Dieu_existe-t-il_%3F but there's a lot of other ones that deserve much attention.) Yours, | 22:21:40 |
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| Email Notifier | <jomat@jmt.gr> Re: [hackerspaces] Moin View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/7599285f-64b4-4457-a85d-5dd273ea219d Moin | 10:52:30 |
| Email Notifier | Louis David Venancio <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Clever Solutions for Cleaning External Sash Windows View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/6f870c21-b92f-468d-898b-019c43309efc I feel you men. 1/ stop beer 2/ build a giant robot 3/ pilot the giant robot from you computer. easy. or don't clean it. dirty things are cool, they have a spirit who says "fuck the system I'm dirty !". troll aside : you could cut a long stick of wood like 5m or more and do it from the ground (and don't stop beer). cheers. | 18:49:23 |
| Email Notifier | Sector67 Team <team@sector67.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Clever Solutions for Cleaning External Sash Windows View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/55521624-422b-4b4d-910c-59831467639d One of these might not be the worst idea: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=aquarium+glass+cleaner+magnet&iax=images&ia=images window glass is usually a twin wall though so it might not be strong enough. Chris | 19:04:07 |
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