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29 Jul 2020
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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I am a bit taken aback by your attack towards the messenger in this case
Mitch... also I find this writing style incoherent, you say you want to
give a talk at this event, then surely you need to go on the event
website and sort it out from there.

You also say you want to express some disappointment about your
experience at the TETALAB and yet there is nothing in the email about
it... if there are lessons in your experience that other hackerspaces
may benefit from then please go ahead and explain more in detail what
these are.

Might I add that references to suicide should be avoided unless you are
serious and this is a cry for help in that case please take care of
yourself and find the right number to call in your area:
https://www.cnet.com/health/suicide-hotlines-crisis-hotlines-to-call-or-text-when-you-need-help/

Love

Aimee
09:13:55
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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ok. done. It's like full.
it's the subject of the talk, too long to explain right now by e-mail.
ok. done. I'm under treatment.
Love.
Aimee
09:31:08
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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My Dear David,

Please, calm your heart. Keep rational and sane. Hope you are feeling
better now, after sending your last message.

All the HOPE 2020 Staff are pretty busy now. I know Mitch in person and,
believe me, in this moment, he is more worried about making HOPE being an
amazing experience to anyone than about verifying his email's inbox.

He is an awesome person and I do love him very, very much. He teached me
how to solder correctly (I was a disaster!), how to meditate, how to talk
Spanish with a pretty sexy accent, how to dye my hair (blue and violet
now!), and how to be a good hacker: - he is curious, pure at heart, loyal
to friends, always trying to share his knowledge sincerely... <3

So, please, it was not a lack of respect. It was certainly an usual lack
of time.

Darling, I am deeply sorry, but "FUCKIN LET ME TALK !" are not the magic
words for make part of HOPE 2020. It was pretty impolite and unpleasant.
Respect other people, please.

You mentioned "suicide". Pretty impressive, but it is _not_ a magic word
too, sorry.

Are you Brazilian, David? Maybe your parents? Well, I am Brazilian and
live in Sao Paulo. You can talk to me in _private_ in _Portuguese_, but I
strongly recommend to search for _professional help_ as faster as possible,
please. Believe me, suicide is not a good idea.

If you want to talk, simply talk. Why talking specially now, in this
specific event, about your personal experiences only, will change the world?

Please, be well and take care of yourself with tenderness. Keep calm, keep
healthy, keep sane. <3

Ceci
Sao Paulo - SP
Brazil
10:39:26
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier J. Grenzfurthner [Das Ende der Nahrungskette] <jg@monochrom.at> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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David! Please calm down!
There was a submission deadline for talks and
workshops long ago, and there is a commitee that
decides what talks and workshops will be picked. So it's not Mitch alone.
And there are WAY more people submitting a talk
than are actually accepted to the conference.
It's all not that easy, and please don't expect
Mitch to reply _during_ a conference.
The next HOPE will be in 2 years.

All the best.
Johannes
10:46:54
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 06:31 David Venancio de Campos < metabaron@massmulti.org> wrote:

Thank you, Aimee. <3

I am glad to read you are under treatment, David. I will give you my
cellphone number in private, just in case, okay? :*

Be well, darling. <3
10:50:29
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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No, I won't calm down. But I love your way. Thanks.

The fact is : I could ask to close the Tetalab under french law, and I'm
not doing it.

Reason : UN-DEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOR.

I COULD CLOSE THE TETALAB ALONE.

Again I won't do it.

Instead I would like 10mn of flash-talk to explain what happened.

I want, like this, to PERFECT the Tetalab !

Don't be afraid, I'm mentally strong enough, and got all my logic working.

Mitch posted a few years ago about "reaching out".

That's what it looks like.
11:01:28
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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David, unfortunately you are still being very cryptic about what happened.

Unless you are more specific no one can offer any real feedback.

Love

Aimee
11:17:51
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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One or two persons bypassed the democratic process to put me out.

In France you don't play with Democracy.

ASSOCIATIONS LOI 1901 : PILAR OF FRENCH DEMOCRACY.

(not the representative parliament : ASSOCIATIONS which do things where
government cannot go : "by citizens for citizens.")

That is why I could ask for the Tetalab to close at Toulouse's "Palais
de Justice".

I have witnesses and proofs.

Furthermore I could ask for "DIFAMATION" money. Which I'm not going to.

I SAY THAT CANNOT BE ANYMORE !

NOT All the Lab turned against me, but the "Bureau" decided to put me
out without asking anything to all the members.

Now to complotists out-there : I'm not from the french government
neither a spy or anything close to that.

AND THIS E-MAILS ARE THE PROOF I COULD DO HARM TO THE LAB AND NOT DOING IT.
11:32:07
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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I thank you too. I was worried and getting an answer is calming. Well,
now you have my cell number. I will need to reinstall a lot of apps. Do
you have some preference?

Update: - Read your private message, darling! You are a nice guy and I am
happy for meeting you. I think it's important to explain to the list that
you are a cool guy in a bad writing day... I have lots of them, aaall the
time, hahaha!!! ;D

David did _not_ want to be aggressive or too dramatic in his first message
and I am asking excuses for him because he is pretty cute. He is a nice
hacker who loves 3D printing. <3

He wants to share his passion with other hackers. Learn and research more
about it, maybe teaching it... :D

Well, my darling, you need to consider what Johannes said before. It is
_not_ just Mitch. HOPE is a conference with a great staff, several people
working together. No one can change something about the conference's
content alone, dear.

I am happy you are feeling mentally well. Someday, in the future, maybe we
can create a page for talking about the bullying in hackerspaces. I lived
it. Mitch lived it. David lived it. Three different countries, three
different persons, three traumatic experiences.
Much love, peace, and health, everybody!!! Disinfected kisses and hugs!!!
<3

Ceci
11:37:01
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Sadly I perceive that you are shouting and I am unable in this moment to
process this, neither do I have the time or energy to talk you down from
this state of anger / frustration.

I would be happy to listen / read what you have to say when you are able
to express is in a more coherent way.

11:45:17
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <ijon@c-base.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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WTF. I think I want to add my 2 cents here...

I briefly checked the french structure of associations - it does not say that the associations have to be democractic in itself. Just that they are a pillar of the french democracy. But that does not translate to the internal structure of associations.

Also I checked the manual / "RTFM" page of the space - also there it does not say, that its democratic on the inside.

So I dont think you have any grounds to stand on, or I havent found where it said in writing, that in this specific association the throwing out of people has to be democratic.

Also: "threatening to attempt to close the association" is the worst behaviour I can imagine for any space. Based on these grounds alone, I would ask you to leave the space (where I am a member and can do so). If the issue can not be resolved through peaceful discussion, then "leaving" is the better option.

or to put it more cleary: Threaten my space, and you lose all credibility immediately and also you loose all willingness of mine to even attempt a resolution.

One can not be toxic to better anything. Toxicity always is infectious. If I would be part of the bureau of this space, after these emails, there would not be any question left in my mind wether you should go or not.

Also, demanding a slot for a talk in this behaviour, to present accusations towards a hackerspace, after failing to resolve these issues in person in the hackerspace itself is really bad style. The way you are presenting your accusations in these emails are also very unstructured, does not have enough details. It looks like this is not the whole story, because you are leaving way too much out. On this alone I would never grant you a slot on any event - because I am not convinced, that you would even attempt to present the whole story and not just those bits where you feel unjustly treated.

No one gets kicked out of a hackerspace without very good reasons and a long backstory. I have perceived these communities in the past as usually extremly inclusive, where even (some) bad behaviour is attributed to personality quirks and overlooked, with the goal of having a peaceful community. Usually shit has to be piled on shit and then some, before a space decides to invest the time, discussion and process to throw someone out. As this is volunteer time, its most likely only then invested, when there seems to be absolutely no other option, and only then when "letting it slip" is no option anymore.

cheers
ijon
12:34:08
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier hellekin <hellekin@hackerspaces.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Hey there,

Metabaron, I understand you're upset, but I don't understand how you
intend to receive support crying wolf, attacking people around, or
making spurious claims about democracy.

You're obviously not acting in full consciousness of the consequences of
your actions.

This seems to be a matter between you and the Tetalab. There's no reason
for you nor anyone on this list to take parts, especially given your
toxic behavior.

I've known you online for more than a decade, and met you at THSF. What
you're doing now does not reflect your usual behavior. I suggest you
take some distance from Tetalab and hackerspaces, take a break and enjoy
Summer a bit before coming back with a cool head and something valuable
to share with your peers. If you need help and support, please take it
off list, I know Cecilia to be a very kind person and an excellent listener.

Please don't get yourself carried out by what's going on at the Tetalab:
life does not end there.

Cheers,

==
hk

12:41:41
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 09:41 hellekin wrote:



Hi hellekin! I was missing you! <3

If you need help and support, please take it
And I also cook very well. :)
13:26:49
30 Jul 2020
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Hi,

bad.
ho? so you know better than a french guy how build 3 associations ? hmhm.
*SIC* : hopefully it's mandatory in ANY association loi 1901.
you STFU. didnt read further. (oh! let me see i just read what?)
yes it is.
I said I could do it. exact.
your wrong. inverting what I said. I WON'T DO IT. NEVER. understood ?
FAILCON ? know that concept ?
1 point at least in all this mail. ok sure. but you don't know what
happened and don't want me to tell...

Censorship? .|. -_- .|.
yeh go drink. that's it. see ya not !

on my side, I'll forget that stupid idea and thanks to you, I'm laughing.
07:15:56
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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+1
07:28:15
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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btw I changed my nickname already 3 years AGO to meta4 (that's why I'm
always mistaking on "from" field)


it's ok. just got this to say :

guys... you don't understand.

by TALKING I could have said a lot more details. 10mn would be short but ok.


now that I have my thread here...

Let me just tell this informations :

I built 3 associations from the ground up. And have the documentation in
head.

Sorry every one, but I'm right and know it.

Forget my idea about the talk.

I HAVE BETTER TO DO !

I'll be visiting portugues hackerspaces soon.

And btw, TetaLab is a UBBER COOL PLACE.

you guys think I want to do harm are paranoid and don't know me.

Does anyone know me here ? (hellekin saw me) (sry to invoque u bro)
 (ok we where writing at the same time)
07:41:41
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Hi, David. Good morning for you and hackerspaces.org list! Hope everybody
is feeling awesome today! <3

Talking with you was enough for noticing that you are very deeply _hurt_,
feeling excruciating pain, but are _not_ a bad guy, neither a harmful or
toxic person.


Does anyone know me here ? (hellekin saw me) (sry to invoque u bro)
hellekin is busy at the moment because of the conference, but he does know
you really are a good person or he would never give my name and
recommendations about me to you, darling. <3

He trusts you and I trust him. That was the reason why I've invited him
for having dinner with me yesterday, hahaha!! I don't know how, when,
where, but I cook very well. Someday, in some country, I don't know... :D
Now, I confess I am a bit jealous... Beach, babies, and skates... Three
lovely awesome things together, oooooh!!! <3 <3 <3

Get some fun, please. Be happy, my darling, and make happy your loved
ones. Please, take care of yourself with tenderness, not only for you, but
also for those who you love. <3

I will be around if you need me. Maybe with some retard, but I am here for
you, okay? :*

Kisses, be well, David! Take care, everybody! <3

Ceci
12:04:24
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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! Rock on !

Sry for the "bruit".

o>

<3.

.
21:02:51
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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You are human, David. It happens. A bit of noise is part of life.

<3.
Much love for you. Take care and be well, please. And never forget your
loved ones, your dreams - "babies", woohoo!! - , your hobbies, your
life... Always remember: - Life is fascinating, even in the worst
moments! <3

ps: oh fuck that old nickname "metabaron". I'll even create another
May I give you a humble suggestion, darling? I will fuck your old nickname
in an easier and faster way when you use your another email address -
meta4 at massmulti dot org , you know - more frequently, hihihi... See
above, sweetie! ;D

If you need something, contact me _in private_ please. I think you and the
list need a break, my dear friend. Oh, just in case, I am very sleepy
since yesterday. Forgive me in case of deep silence. I will be zzzleeping
because I do need my beauty sleep, zzz... nom nom...(- _ -)*zzz

Kisses, hugs, and ice cream, darling! Enjoy the Summer! Here is Winter!
<3

Ceci
22:17:29
31 Jul 2020
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier hellekin <hellekin@hackerspaces.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Hey Ceci


Not the HOPE conference though: I'm working to promote /run (Resist
Uniform Normality), a federation of local events for humans ;o)


Cheers!

==
hk

09:23:12
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days!
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Whoops! Pardon my mistake! :B

Well... You could promote /run with more details in another thread... I
think most of members here are still human beings.

(A list full of boring bots is a true nightmare, hellekin! Hated the
experience!)

Disinfected tender kisses and straight warm hugs! Take care and be well,
please. <3

Ceci

PS: - Hey hellekin... The dinner was _not_ a romantic invitation at
all. I just want to listen some fun hackerspaces stories and thank you for
your eternal patience with me. You can take with you wife/wives,
husband/s, girlfriend/s, boyfriend/s, lover/s, pet/s, plant/s, ET/s,
whatever. :D

Just take care for avoiding my death and/or painful injuries, please. I
have pretty strong allergies to deeply jealous people. I don't know the
reason, but they seem to hate me... :P
12:53:47
@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> [hackerspaces] A Toxic Truth: Children’s Exposure to Lead Pollution
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Hi Friends,

A problem to motivate future hacker projects:

*6.1 million *The estimated number of homes in the United States that still get their water supply from lead pipes, according to a new report from UNICEF.

The report, which estimates 1 in 3 children worldwide have elevated levels of lead in the blood, said that lead in water is a common source of contamination.

Lead can be especially dangerous when exposed to children, who absorb 4 to 5 times more of the lead that enters their bodies than adults.

Elevated blood levels can potentially have lifelong socio-economic implications for children, the report said, including educational outcomes, violence, future wages, and children’s social and economic potential in life.

/Report UNICEF : /

/https://www.unicef.org/sites/default/files/2020-07/The-toxic-truth-children’s-exposure-to-lead-pollution-2020.pdf
/
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