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29 Dec 2018
22:52:32@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Dave Borghuis <dave@tkkrlab.nl> [hackerspaces] discussion 35c3 minutes
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For who attended the discussion, the notes are on :

https://pad.tkkrlab.space/p/hackerspacesorg

Regards,
Dave Borghuis
31 Dec 2018
14:35:56@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> [hackerspaces] content review project
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Good afternoon all,

I was at the 35c3 meeting where we discussed the need for a content review:

1. short term solution - systematically go through listings to verify status and update content

2. long term solution - find good long term solutions for keeping the data current and up to date

I have volunteered to coordinate this effort and would love to get started initially by finding out if there are other interested parties out there willing to help.

1st stage - help needed with:

a. sending a mailshot out to all active hackerspaces with a contact email address on their profile to elicit action and updating profile pages - I can draft an email - can someone do the sending?

b. automatically identifying and flagging dead links on active profiles and marking them as dead links on profiles

c. visit hackerspaces in your area and updating their profile or asking them to update their profile accordingly - think of this a human verification to make sure they are still active and run by people (as opposed to corporate bots)

d. working with me on the harder cases ie where this is no contact info and only deadlinks to update profiles to identify whether the space is truly still active somehow before amending them to inactive

Looking forward to hearing from you :-)

Much love

Aimee xxx
15:02:02@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Dennis Fink <metalgamer@c3l.lu> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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Hey,

I can help for Luxembourg and it's greater region.

Cheers,
metalgamer
15:21:14@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Aljaž Srebrnič <a2piratesoft@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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Thank you *very much* for volunteering! :)
I can do the sending and querying if email addresses (thanks Ex!). I can also take care of translating the draft in Italian and Slovenian. Maybe we could put it in the wiki in a /meta section?
I checked out the Italian list manually at 35c3. mwfc or anyone else, what would be the best way to signal that a link is down?
Great, I’m already planning a mini trip through Italy, probably in spring :)
I can assist, we should probably have a Category for these special cases, or a list on the wiki.
Cheers,
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17:07:04@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Nate Bezanson <myself@telcodata.us> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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We already have a category for that. I think these spaces should be
categorized as "inactive" just like the ones which deliberately set
themselves to that status, but perhaps with an additional "reason for
inactive status = all links broken and the last edit was eons ago" sort
of tag, so someone sifting through the dregs can understand what happened.

The task becomes clearer if we first remind ourselves of one fundamental
fact: *Inclusion on the list is voluntary* -- I don't think hs.o has any
obligation to list a space against their will. And if they haven't
provided working links that point to an active space, in a data-quality
sense that's equivalent to linking to an inactive space.

There are a *lot* of "aspirational" entries created years ago with a
single edit, no working contact info, and Googling for their name
results in nothing more recent than that year. Chasing these ghosts and
saying it's hs.o's job to chase them will just wear out volunteers and
lead to a feeling of a sisyphean task. Simply remembering that ghosts
aren't alive, makes the problem space much more practical.

That being said, sleuthing out the people behind those years-old
inactive entries might be an interesting way to connect with locals who
lost the vision in one way or another. I would still encourage people to
track down their local ghosts and learn their stories just for fun.
Maybe write down those stories into their pages, even as those pages sit
in Category:Inactive. But I think that's a separate problem from
encouraging the spaces that actually exist and want to be on the list
and have shown it by creating a useful page which then went stale, to
come brush the cobwebs off their page.

(Side note -- in many cases, the member who last edited a space's entry
will be long gone, so someone new will be creating a user account and
performing the update. Checking the user signup process and captcha and
stuff, *before* blasting out an email that'll make several hundred new
people come bang on the signup page and beat their heads against the
captcha, would be prudent.)

Incidentally, I think this is precisely equivalent to the problem that
many new spaces struggle with, of unknown stuff cluttering up their
physical space. Finite physical space makes that a more obvious problem,
but a map or list cluttered with stale entries is just as hard to work
with. Most established spaces I'm familiar with have arrived at a pretty
strong "abandoned stuff" policy -- the onus is on the owner to label
their stuff. The job of the community should be limited to providing the
tools to make labeling easy, but it's still up to the individual to do
something useful with those tools.

Also, bear in mind that mass edits will upset the "merit of freshness"
that makes the 500 most-recently-updated spaces appear on the map. If
every page gets an update, the map will show a view that's very
different from what it's been showing. This may eventually settle back
down as the updates fade into history, but if there's ongoing automatic
or semi-automatic editing, it'll continue to make the map weird. This
shouldn't be seen as an argument against doing mass edits, but for a
renewed push to improve the map generation. We used to say that
exceeding the map limit of 500 active spaces would be a "a good problem
to have", and it certainly is, but it's high time to find volunteers
with skills to solve it!
18:06:16@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier maxigas <maxigas@anargeek.net> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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Thanks for picking this up. I am happy to collaborate if we hammer out
a workflow. Where should we coordinate?

In particular is there someone writing some script to have all the
contact info from the wiki in a csv or something so it can be used for
sending out the emails?
23:28:38@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Dave Borghuis <dave@tkkrlab.nl> Re: [hackerspaces] Discuss Digest, Vol 122, Issue 5
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Hi Aimee,

Hi I was there to, I was the person with the LED hat ;-)

2. long term solution - find good long term solutions for keeping the
data current and up to date
Maybe implement a kind of refresh option, if its abandoned for more then x
time automagic set it to 'inactive'
I can program in php/python but are not an expert in (Semantic) wiki, some
help here would be appreciated.

c. visit hackerspaces in your area and updating their profile or asking
I can do this for Netherlands and dutch speaking part of Belgium. Other
places if I can manage contact them by internet.
I notice for the Dutch hackerspace there are 27 listed, but 13 are 'real'
hacerspaces. The remaining are FabLabs, (commercial) makerspaces or just
group of friends. Is there a easy way to difference between these groups?
There is a [[Category:FabLab]] but as far i can see you cant edit this with
the form (and not every fablab use this)

Regards,
Dave Borghuis
2 Jan 2019
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20:17:28@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Aljaž Srebrnič <a2piratesoft@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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I’d use this mailing list for discussion, the IRC channel for quick queries and the wiki, maybe a meta category could be added?
I just added a "CSV export” link to the Country template that exports the info to contact a hackerspace. If it’s not present click on the ”refresh” button on the top of the page!
20:23:41@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Aljaž Srebrnič <a2piratesoft@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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I could ”probably” take care of that, but I’m far from an expert.
I’d really not want to start a discussion here what’s a hackerspace and what’s not, let’s just get the open/closed status updated, we can focus on the discussion on what constitutes a hackerspace later 😊 Maybe if a space self-identifies as a FabLab in his homepage, we could add it in the FabLab category, so we can decide what to to with them later on.

Cheers,
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3 Jan 2019
18:30:31@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier maxigas <maxigas@anargeek.net> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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Perfect. I am on ircs://irc.freenode.org/hackerspaces I guess that is
the one.
Brilliant! Should I go through the Eastern European hackerspaces then?
We could have a wiki page or pad where volunteers can sign up to refresh
regions?
18:33:08@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier maxigas <maxigas@anargeek.net> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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I agree with that approach. Even more so, can we add a category to tag
accelerators/innovationhubs/techshops, etc.? Maybe "Other"?

ps: having written/organised quite some research over different
categories of Shared Machine Shops, i am happy to look into the
categorisation problem later on.
20:24:04@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Aljaž Srebrnič <a2piratesoft@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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Other is fine, IMO.

Yes, definitely. We can do that once we have a good community and a good system of discussion — but I count on dcht00’s help for that :)
Yes, that’s the one!
Wherever there’s a volunteer that can check :) I don’t have any pads server at hand, but we could just use a wiki page. I’ve made a page [1] and linked it from the home page so we could get even more help. It uses Semantic MediaWiki features, I don’t know if that is too complicated or not...

[1]: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Census_2019
21:46:03@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier David Potocnik <david.potocnik@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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(I was also at the 35c3 meeting and I'm happy to see progress on this,
thanks Aimee & all.)


Maxigas, this would be a great push for this effort!!
One thing that comes to mind is the difference of Categories as rather free
assigning of attributes (this is also the Semantic Wiki understanding, see
list at [1]), vs a more taxonomic approach, that might be called "Classes".
With the first, you may add as many as you want, with none excluding the
other, at least formally. For the second, it's like in Biology - something
is either/or an insect, mammal, ... (but has to be be something).
I think your work is more taxonomical?
In general, I believe that so we may start new organizations that fit new
realities, and to maintain the momentum of existing spaces while pushing
them into growth rather leaving them to recession - it must be useful to
develop our common vocabularies. Otherwise it is, for all of us in the
roles of space members, planners, etc., more difficult to have grounded
aspirations, and debates with each other.

Best
David/dcht00 from totalism.org hackbase [2]

[1]
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&offset=&limit=500
[2] https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackbase
6 Jan 2019
15:51:34@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Discuss Digest, Vol 122, Issue 5
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Thanks Dave, for the fablabs that aren't marked as such then you can update these right away provided the info you have is correct
16:01:44@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] content review project
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agreed for cases with dead contact info and dead links
are there any volunteers for this map generation issue?

also... wouldn't the map already exclude places that have been marked from active to inactive?
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12:43:18@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier hellekin <hellekin@hackerspaces.org> Re: [hackerspaces] discussion 35c3 minutes
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Thank you for this. I'm so sad to see there's only one admin left. But
I'm also quite happy that the "Content Review" thread was picked up by
enthusiastic people.

For the sake of record, and for people willing to pick up some
discussion topics, follows a copy of the pad.

Cheers,

==
hk


*


Hackerspaces.org
– central wiki
– mailing list
– other services

Connect to hackerspaces to communicate with each other

– 1 admin left, no one left.
– searching for help, good information
– helping new spaces out
– domainregistration in community hands

– backup domain : hackspace.org


Problem is getting more content
- problem was with hackerspaces in italy, some were down. Data is not
uptodate
- spaceapi, persons are in the house
- if page is not changes for x time put a 'overlay' 18 months
- not everyone maintian there the information- more sources to see if a
space still active
- not all spaces are real spaces are 'real' spaces. Some are commercial
or dead
- the awesome list (at github)
https://github.com/daviddias/awesome-hacking-locations
- crowd source information, but a wiki is already able to do this.
- integrate some spaceapi data in the wiki
- first make things better (later great)
- when do you get listed, what is a real 'hackerspace'
- makerspaces?
- co-working spaces?
- offer for coordinate to check the 'pages', to check what is what.
- add extra properties like open 24/7 - commercial - organisation form
()
- Whats the use of this information?
- Who decides what counts as commercial for example?
- what to do with old hackerspaces, put it in history
- is it a good place for projects, admins are busy right now. Maybe a
extra subdomain. You can do nice things in wiki if you can do there go
ahead.
- what can hackerspaces.org offer to other people
- if someone/hackerspace want to do work, this is available
- do we need government?
- can you do something for e.g. 5 years (if you want to start a new
project on hackerspaces.org)
- preferance for decentralised services

- what is hackerspaces.org for you

- central list

- point for information

- site is more a place of different communities, from eg asia, south
africa etc.
- different hackerspaces have different (financial) models




futher discussion on mailing list (discussion@hackerspaces.org)

For dave :
Twitter – dit jaar 7? berichten
map – open steetmap
gebruiken van spaceapi ?




21:01:39@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Arclight <arclight@gmail.com> [hackerspaces] Sparklecon VI - February 2-3 in Southern California
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Hackers,

We are once again putting on our regional hacker con at 23b Shop near
L.A. If you are going to be in town, this is a great time to hang out
and meet fellow hackers, show off your projects, etc. If you're not
going to be in town and want to evacuate to somewhere that work is not
going ot be bothering you, this is also a great time to come out.

Details and tickets are here:

https://www.sparklecon.org/

Of note this year:
14 Jan 2019
00:12:09@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> [hackerspaces] hackerspaces.org content review update
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Hello all,

Here's what I believe we have up to now - if you had already volunteered but are not on this list then please don't hesitate to correct me):

* Country / area reviews signed up volunteers:
o Dennis Fink / metalgamer - Luxembourg and it's greater region
o Aljaž / g5pw - Italy
o Aimee / aimeejulia - Germany + (all active - online sweep,
checking for dead links and inactivity + contact only areas
where not already covered by other volunteers)
o Dave Borghuis - Netherlands and Dutch speaking part of Belgium
o Maxigas / kiberpunk - Eastern Europe
o Otter - Finland
o Ramgarden - Florida

* Pending queries:

o for technical issues to get the pressure off admin is it
possible to have these set up on github?
o what would be the best way to signal dead web links? - Dave
Borghuis can write a script but needs some help with semantic
wiki - Aljaž offered to help - maybe you guys can communicate
about this :-)

* Contact email draft:

o Aimee / aimeejulia to draft
o Aljaž / g5pw - to translate in Italian & Slovenian
o can be published on the wiki

* Log in issues:
o outstanding issues with cookies error
o outstanding reset password php error

**

*    imp: **hold on from telling people to update listings until log in issues have been resolved*

* Content review process for active listings
o personal visit review
+ read listing content
+ are the links are active?
# if yes great
# if no flag to the hackerspace to update listing
+ contact to arrange visit (not required in all cases
depending on the hackerspace)
+ encourage to update listing or update listing for the
hackerspace
o online review
+ is the last updated date within a year?
# if yes no review needed
# if no - Is the website link active?
* if yes does the hackerspace still have current
online content ie a website, calendar of events with
recent current event info, blog posts and other
signs of life?
o if yes no further action needed
o if no contact the hackerspace to update listing
* if no does the listing have a contact email?
o if yes send and email to contact to update listing
o if no mark listing as inactive documenting
reasons for doing so

*     Some preliminary results:
o *Germany
:

*
+     85 spaces listed as active of which
+     53 last update within the last year - no action required
+     22 have activity on their site - no action required
+     9 status unclear need contacting, (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)
+     1 duplicate entry need contacting (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)

I have deliberately left out the topic of categories in this email as the initial process weeds out the inactive listings out first. Once that has been done then the volunteers who visit the hackerspaces can either make suggestions to the people responsible to update these along with other information or volunteer to do it for them.

Want to volunteer? Great! include yourself here: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Census_2019

This discussion started at 35c3 you can read the minutes here:https://pad.tkkrlab.space/p/hackerspacesorg

Much love

Aimee xx

15 Jan 2019
21:46:03@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier Anna Waldman-Brown <annawab@fabfolk.com> Re: [hackerspaces] hackerspaces.org content review update
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Hi Aimee and everyone,

I went to a hackerspaces.org revival discussion with maxigas and Mitch at CCCamp 2015, and I’m thrilled to see this happening! I helped coordinate an open-source Atlas of Innovation Spaces which includes hackerspaces, fab labs, makerspaces, and co-working spaces, so please take advantage of our Python code and/or datafields if they're useful: http://atlasofinnovation.com/ In particular, feel free to use our map which can show all thousands of spaces at once.

Datafields: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U9BwfkqsDpekBjB9DkHUnKrLJigaIYWK0HX6zuM9Nv0/edit#
Github: https://github.com/AnanseGroup/atlas_of_innovation/tree/feature/changes_for_data_validation

I’ve moved on from the Atlas project, but the current team would love to collaborate if y’all are interested: anansegroup@gmail.com

Much love,
Anna
19 Jan 2019
15:28:29@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> [hackerspaces] hackerspaces.org content review update 2
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Good afternoon all,

Some stats for the ongoing online review:

Total active listings: 1435

* *114 - Active listings reviewed or 7.9% of total active listings*
o 98 last update within the last year and / or have activity on
their site
o  11 require contact due to unclear status
o  5 duplicates / suspected inactive

  Here's  an update to the preliminary results:

o *Albania
*:
*up to date as at 19/01/2019*
+  1 space listed as active of which
#  1 last update within the last year - no action required
o *Argentina
*:
*up to date as at 19/01/2019*
+  2 spaces listed as active of which
# 1 last update within the last year - no action required
# 1 status unclear need contacting, (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)
o *Armenia
*:
+ 1 space listed as active of which
# 1 suspected inactive, website dead link, no recent
activity - sent them a tweet to check for signs of life
o *Australia
*:
*up to date as at 19/01/2019*
+  12 spaces listed as active of which
# 5 last update within the last year - no action required
# 4 have activity on their site - no action required
# 1 duplicate entry need contacting (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)
# 2 suspected inactive, website dead link, no recent
activity need contacting (on hold pending resolution to
log in issues) of life
o *Austria*
:
*up to date as at 19/01/2019*
+ 13 spaces listed as active of which
# 10 last update within the last year - no action required
# 2 have activity on their site - no action require
# 1 status unclear need contacting, (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)
o *Germany
:
up to date as at 13/01/2019
*
+  85 spaces listed as active of which
#  53 last update within the last year - no action required
#  22 have activity on their site - no action required
#  9 status unclear need contacting, (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)
#  1 duplicate entry need contacting (on hold pending
resolution to log in issues)


Previous update with more info below

Much love

Aimee xx



24 Jan 2019
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08:34:18@artist:matrix.org@artist:matrix.orgHi guys I am a game developer looking for hackers
08:34:29@artist:matrix.org@artist:matrix.orgI am creative and passionate
08:50:02@realitygaps:chat.weho.strealitygapsartist: prob check #freenode_#hackerspaces:matrix.org
08:50:43@realitygaps:chat.weho.strealitygapsThis is mostly just a channel for reading the mailing list (see topic)
09:17:10@artist:matrix.org@artist:matrix.orgooh ok
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1 Feb 2019
17:57:03@email:t2bot.ioEmail Notifier <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] hackerspaces.org content review update 3
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Hello all again :-)

Updated stats for this week:

Total active listings: 1428 as at 01/02/2019

* *145 - Active listings reviewed or 10.2% of total active listings*
o 124 last update within the last year and / or have activity on
their site
o 12 require contact due to unclear status
o 5 duplicates / suspected inactive
o 2 all dead links marked as inactive
o 1 is not a hackerspace
o 1 has no contact links at all

Here's  an update to the preliminary results:

* *Bangladesh
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 1 space listed as active of which
+ 1 has activity on their site - no action required
* *Belarus
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 1 space listed as active of which
+ 1 has activity on their site - no action required

* *Belgium
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 11 spaces listed as active of which
+ 8 last update within the last year - no action required
+ 3 have activity on their site - no action required
* *Bolivia
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 1 space listed as active of which
+ 1 has activity on their site - no action required
* *Brazil
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 13 spaces listed as active of which
+ 8 last update within the last year - no action required
+ 2 have activity on their site - no action required
+ 2 all links dead - marked as inactive
+ 1 no contact info or links - seems some kind of
collective for an event rather than an actual hackerspace
* *Bulgaria
****up
to date **as at 01/02/2019*
o 4 spaces listed as active of which
+ 1 had links to a business - links deleted
+ 2 have activity on their site - no action required
+ 1 is a startup incubation service and not a hackerspace

Much love

Aimee xx

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