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| The Geek Lab | 1431 Members |
| A place to discuss Linux and open source related technologies. Please keep conversations family friendly | 220 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 27 Mar 2023 | ||
 corrinado | Not to be argumentative, but WP itself isn't really the issue. WP Core is solid. It's the fact that the plugin/theme ecosystem is mostly amateur hour nonsense. Therefore end users easily get into trouble. And that's assuming that they care at all. To be fair, there are some great products and shops, but also tons of folks 'just learning' Most WP sites that I've encountered on a call tend to be horribly outdated and unpatched. Plus a gazillion plugins installed (most non-active) and you've got trouble | 16:22:13 |
| corrinado | In reply to @stuivesant:linuxdelta.comTake a look at screen and tmux | 16:24:54 |
 tiny | Level one did a good tutorial on this too https://youtu.be/xu2lGV-kISI | 16:27:41 |
 stuivesant | Thanks. Going to check it out. The device I have has a light when it's being written to so I can keep an eye on it, but this will be helpful for the future too | 16:48:22 |
| 28 Mar 2023 | ||
 Warped | In reply to @corrinado:matrix.orgIsn't that kind of the point? WP claims to be secure, but core doesn't really do much. To have a site, you need to add themes and modules that often don't work eell together. So you can't just upgrade to the latest of everything, since they probably won't work together. WP has worked to get autoupdates to work, but that isn't the entire solution. | 00:31:14 |
| Warped | * Isn't that kind of the point? WP claims to be secure, but core doesn't really do much. To have a site, you need to add themes and modules that often don't work well together. So you can't just upgrade to the latest of everything, since they probably won't work together. WP has worked to get autoupdates to work, but that isn't the entire solution. | 00:31:44 |
| Warped | And WP makes it worse by trying to keep backward compatibility and not break older modules, which allows maintainers to not need to maintain them and keep them up to date. | 00:33:51 |
| corrinado | I'm no advocate for them or the ecosystem. Just to be clear. That said there are complexities in modular systems that often get overlooked. Fact is that there are many high traffic sites that operate smoothly on WP. And that plugin / theme ecosystem has led to their growth over time. There are also Linux systems that exists on the open web that perform well. But they are most likely administered by someone or a team that understands the platform. WP is no different. | 02:00:57 |
| corrinado | If WP can be said to have failed in any way - it's that it lowers the bar for who can enter the arena. Many of those that enter, don't prepare themselves well | 02:02:03 |
| corrinado | * I'm no advocate for them or the ecosystem. Just to be clear. That said there are complexities in modular systems that often get overlooked. Fact is that there are many high traffic sites that operate smoothly on WP. And that plugin / theme ecosystem has led to their growth over time. There are also Linux systems that exist on the open web that perform well. But they are most likely administered by someone or a team that understands the platform. WP is no different. | 02:02:51 |
| Warped | I was just relating WP backward compatibility as having the same problems as WinBlows trying to make sure that old programs can still run. It causes both to make decisions not to fix problems because it can break compatibility. Backward compatibility means old modules and themes will work, and causes problems with what versions of modules and themes will work with each other. If you choose an older theme or module, you might need many more unmaintained versions and have more security problems. | 03:41:19 |
| corrinado | There is always hope. It's name is Guntenburg. That's their tactic to move forward without hurting legacy sites depending on TinyMCE. You make a valid point though. There definitely are downsides to many of the decisions they've made. It's not for everyone. It does grow a lot of smaller dev shops looking for clients. Which makes sense for some. | 03:49:16 |
| corrinado | For clarification, that 1st statement was dry sarcasm and isn't clear via txt | 03:50:37 |
| Warped | There was a survey result that the longer developers work with WP, the more they hate it. And the longer Drupal developers work with Drupal, the more they love it. I think the problems getting WP modules and themes to play nice together on a complex website is one of the reasons. Drupal has a steeper learning curve, but everything works together better. | 11:49:10 |
 @onemorepeter:matrix.org left the room. | 15:03:16 | |
| corrinado | That sounds about right to me. Drupal has been around for about the same amount of time. I don't do webdev personally and I'm not familiar with that survey. Both platforms have been around for ages. But the results aren't shocking. | 15:55:29 |
| tiny | https://bitwarden.com/blog/bitwarden-brings-open-source-security-to-secrets-management/ | 18:14:52 |
| tiny | I need to play with this | 18:14:59 |
 veritanuda | In reply to @tiny6996:matrix.orgInteresting. I don't need it for myself.. but maybe for some clients can be useful. | 19:18:02 |
| tiny | I know the secrets built in to woodpecker are probably good enough but I want to give it a go | 19:57:17 |
 TwoBit | Studio: Noah C Joining mumble soon? | 23:04:51 |
| TwoBit | Nothing quite like those temperature swings between -10F to 120F | 23:08:08 |
 Sleuth | We recently had to get a new TV. It is s smart TV but I didn't connect it to the internet so it's just a TV. | 23:21:43 |
| Sleuth | It's probably because they need people to be over a certain age so they can do things with their data. Like how Discord, Twitch, and most websites and services do. | 23:24:34 |
 mrjpaxton | In reply to @corrinado:matrix.orgI know tmux is great, but it's kind of old hat at this point. I've seen emulator developers complaining about it, especially the developer of Kitty (the terminal emulator), because it messes with the features of the terminal too much, including mouse support. Apparently, it is better to use dvtm+abduco now. There's also dtach which is very, very simple, and does not have a session manager or multiplexing, but useful for one interactive shell instance, I guess. I still use Tmux because I already have saved Tmux session scripts and a decent tmux.conf, and I'm not willing to switch! 😄 | 23:40:30 |
| mrjpaxton | In reply to @corrinado:matrix.org* I know tmux is great, but it's kind of old hat at this point. I've seen terminal emulator developers complaining about it, especially the developer of Kitty (the terminal emulator), because it messes with the features of the terminal too much, including mouse support. Apparently, it is better to use dvtm+abduco now. There's also dtach which is very, very simple, and does not have a session manager or multiplexing, but useful for one interactive shell instance, I guess. I still use Tmux because I already have saved Tmux session scripts and a decent tmux.conf, and I'm not willing to switch! 😄 | 23:41:58 |
| mrjpaxton | I mean yes, you can still use either the terminfo xterm-256color or screen-256color, and tmux will work perfectly fine. My distro doesn't ship with tmux-256color or similar | 23:44:25 |
| mrjpaxton | * I mean yes, you can still use either the terminfo xterm-256color or screen-256color, and tmux will work perfectly fine. My distro doesn't ship with tmux-256color or similar. | 23:44:40 |
| 29 Mar 2023 | ||
| tiny | Noah C: here's the link to fair email if you want to use m365 you have to download it from the play store https://email.faircode.eu/ | 00:24:24 |
| tiny | For Linux evolution works with m365 but idk how well it works | 00:25:16 |