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20 Sep 2020
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@chin123:matrix.org
Login manager: none, don't really need one Boot: again none, just whatever default GRUB2 is Window manager: either i3 or dwm
chin123: But GRUB doesn’t come with the archiso, right? So you had to install that? And login is through tty or do you launch your display server immediately or something?
04:22:41
@chin123:matrix.orgchin123
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chin123: But GRUB doesn’t come with the archiso, right? So you had to install that? And login is through tty or do you launch your display server immediately or something?
Yup, install it manually. Yup, it goes to tty and then I launch X by typing startx
04:24:19
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@chin123:matrix.org
Yup, install it manually. Yup, it goes to tty and then I launch X by typing startx
Hmm… that seems unnecessarily inefficient though, considering that I’m going to be running startx literally every time I log in. For now I’m on systemd-boot which comes with the iso. It seems much faster and simpler than grub (I only use one OS), but ideally I’d like something even faster. I was looking into a no boot manager solution, but can’t seem to figure out how to set that up.
04:30:10
@chin123:matrix.orgchin123Yeah I guess, but I rarely log out and I'm too lazy to set up auto startx on login04:31:30
@freenode_harsh183:matrix.orgharsh183I like grub bc it plays well with windows05:23:27
@freenode_harsh183:matrix.orgharsh183 I mean I'm up for being fairly experimental with my Linux as long as I don't Frick my windows up 05:23:58
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21 Sep 2020
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123 joined the room.07:09:04
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123does there exist any chat app whose server is just a single binary, powered by a simple database (sqlite3 or just plain text files), and keeps history?07:09:48
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123IRC covers almost everything, except history and that involves bouncers which adds too much mess IMO07:10:07
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123 I can imagine something just like IRC but with history in it, and with a usable mobile and desktop client, but I can't seem to find one which is simple to setup 07:10:50
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123 there's matrix and rocketchat and zulip and all that but they are either ridiculously complicated to setup or have too many features 07:11:19
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
Oh, so we have a grub user here. What else? Or does everyone just use grub? I’m looking for a nice alternative, and systemd-boot (which I use now) seems pretty clean, simple, and lightweight. I tried rEFInd as well, but I don’t like the idea that it searches for kernels every time it launches. It looks really slick, but I’d rather have lightning-fast boots where I don’t look at anything. Suggestions?
I used to use systemd-boot when I was on arch (now I use GRUB on alpine). Didn't really notice much though, I guess i reboot so rarely and in general dont care about that part of the process that much. Have you noticed significant differences in the boot times of different bootloaders?
07:15:46
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.org
I used to use systemd-boot when I was on arch (now I use GRUB on alpine). Didn't really notice much though, I guess i reboot so rarely and in general dont care about that part of the process that much. Have you noticed significant differences in the boot times of different bootloaders?
Also, i think most people just use GRUB, its the default in almost every distro. There might be some old timers still stuck with LILO or something though, which is the other extreme...
07:17:28
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.org
Also, i think most people just use GRUB, its the default in almost every distro. There might be some old timers still stuck with LILO or something though, which is the other extreme...
Well, “significantly” is subjective, I guess. I have a really fast PCIe gen 4 ssd (Corsair force MP600) so I guess these things become a bit of a bottleneck when you’re already down to 4 seconds or less? rEFInd took a solid extra second, which I couldn’t tolerate (but I had a really cool theme). I didn’t really try GRUB for too long. I’d rather have something that’s dead-simple or has good customizability and eye candy. GRUB seemed like a middle-ground that didn’t provide any advantages over systemd-boot and rEFInd.
07:34:10
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
Well, “significantly” is subjective, I guess. I have a really fast PCIe gen 4 ssd (Corsair force MP600) so I guess these things become a bit of a bottleneck when you’re already down to 4 seconds or less? rEFInd took a solid extra second, which I couldn’t tolerate (but I had a really cool theme). I didn’t really try GRUB for too long. I’d rather have something that’s dead-simple or has good customizability and eye candy. GRUB seemed like a middle-ground that didn’t provide any advantages over systemd-boot and rEFInd.
I think Pop_OS uses systemd-boot, but I don’t know if that counts…
07:34:46
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
I think Pop_OS uses systemd-boot, but I don’t know if that counts…
I really want to try bypassing the boot manager entirely (some people said that’s possible). But I’m new to these things and don’t know how to set that up.
07:36:26
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
I really want to try bypassing the boot manager entirely (some people said that’s possible). But I’m new to these things and don’t know how to set that up.
oh ok, i've never used that, didn't think it was used much beyond system76
07:36:34
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.org
oh ok, i've never used that, didn't think it was used much beyond system76
hmm wouldn't that involve reducing one stage of the kernel boot process? I'm not sure how linux can be booted without a boot manager
07:37:18
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.org
hmm wouldn't that involve reducing one stage of the kernel boot process? I'm not sure how linux can be booted without a boot manager
Again, I’m not sure exactly how it works, but the way it was described to me was that there’s the EFI boot loader followed by the boot manager (GRUB, rEFInd, systemd-boot). Some people on some forums said that the second step was just to pick an OS if you have a few (which I don’t) and can be bypassed, since most motherboards support that. The arch wiki says you can do that by loading the kernel as an EFI application (instead of loading the boot manager) using something called EFISTUB. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB
07:43:25
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
Again, I’m not sure exactly how it works, but the way it was described to me was that there’s the EFI boot loader followed by the boot manager (GRUB, rEFInd, systemd-boot). Some people on some forums said that the second step was just to pick an OS if you have a few (which I don’t) and can be bypassed, since most motherboards support that. The arch wiki says you can do that by loading the kernel as an EFI application (instead of loading the boot manager) using something called EFISTUB. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB
But I’m too scared to try that out now. 😅
07:44:01
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07:44:48
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.org
But I’m too scared to try that out now. 😅
ohh ok, yeah i was confused
07:45:27
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.orgChinmaya Mahesh
In reply to@_slack_acm-uiuc_UNR26UBNF:matrix.org
ohh ok, yeah i was confused
that could speed things up even more
07:45:39
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UMUCS5EBZ:matrix.orgAjay Arasanipalai Why would you care about server-side complexity? 07:56:16
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123for self hosting07:58:14
@freenode_chin123:matrix.orgchin123 I self host IRC and a bouncer right now, which works but it would be nice to have a better soln which isn't overengineered 07:59:14
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UCKA8M1QB:matrix.orgMatthew
In reply to@freenode_chin123:matrix.org
does there exist any chat app whose server is just a single binary, powered by a simple database (sqlite3 or just plain text files), and keeps history?
Want to make one? :D
10:54:07
@freenode_harsh183:matrix.orgharsh183This is like that xkcd with 14 competing standards11:06:10
@_slack_acm-uiuc_UCKA8M1QB:matrix.orgMatthew True. Although convergence doesn't matter too much for domain specific chat systems 11:13:12

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