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14 Feb 2024
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko
In reply to @jade:fyralabs.com
There are trains if you live in major cities, it's just not really feasible
* North-American trains are a joke indeed, and I'm very jealous of Europe's saner infrastructure and density. I did check for GUADEC 2024 some months ago, and someone like me going to that event by train would be… minimum of 44 hours by train (assuming things go well and all segments are on-time and you can make connections... yeah right haha, freight trains just called, they want their tracks right-of-way back, step aside peasants!), 44-55 hours by bus, or 30 hours nonstop driving 🫠 and in practice, the train and bus estimates are purely theoretical, but impossible in practice, because the trains sometimes just don't run in compatible ways.
I presume most people within that continent would be in a similar situation.
06:25:50
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko * North-American trains are a joke indeed, and I'm very jealous of Europe's and China/Japan's saner infrastructure and density. I did check for GUADEC 2024 some months ago, and someone like me going to that event by train would be… minimum of 44 hours by train (assuming things go well and all segments are on-time and you can make connections... yeah right haha, freight trains just called, they want their tracks right-of-way back, step aside peasants!), 44-55 hours by bus, or 30 hours nonstop driving 🫠 and in practice, the train and bus estimates are purely theoretical, but impossible in practice, because the trains sometimes just don't run in compatible ways.
I presume most people within that continent would be in a similar situation.
06:39:22
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko If the gubbermint could get their paws out of their arses and make this project a high-speed rail project instead of "high-frequency", in the future I could at least theoretically cut up to 20% of such a trip's air travel, but that's still far from low-carbon. 06:39:47
@sri:gnome.orgsri 🚀
In reply to @nekohayo:matrix.org
If the gubbermint could get their paws out of their arses and make this project a high-speed rail project instead of "high-frequency", in the future I could at least theoretically cut up to 20% of such a trip's air travel, but that's still far from low-carbon.
Luckily trains have taken a priority with the current administraiton and we are seeing a lot of investment!
15:07:25
@nekohayo:matrix.orgnekoI hope that will work, though it is pretty hard to achieve under a non-collectivist system... where every step of the way you'll have private interests (car culture/lobby, freight, private industries instead of nation-owned infrastructure and services, etc.; anything else gets decried as "communism!"), individiduality (NIMBY), and short-term political cycles swings, all putting death-by-million-papercuts roadblocks into such projects…15:45:15
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko * I hope that will work, though it is pretty hard to achieve under a non-collectivist system... where every step of the way you'll have private interests (car culture/lobby, freight, private industries instead of nation-owned infrastructure and services, etc.; anything else gets decried as "communism!"), individuality (NIMBY), and short-term political cycles swings, all putting death-by-million-papercuts roadblocks into such projects…15:45:46
@ebassi:gnome.orgEmmanuele BassiI honestly don't think the GNOME Engagement channel is the right place to talk about the mass transit policy of the US government15:56:07
@ebassi:gnome.orgEmmanuele Bassi or the ethical considerations of climate change as expressed via Matrix reaction emojis 15:56:56
@ebassi:gnome.orgEmmanuele Bassiso, can we please move that elsewhere?15:57:08
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15 Feb 2024
@bittin:gnome.orgbittin
In reply to @nekohayo:matrix.org
Well unless 90%+ of attendees are remote (ex: satellite GUADECs like in Berlin), GUADEC 2024 is particularly going to ruin the bears, as it is in the middle of 'murica, where the land is ginormous and trains are not a thing
don't have money to go from Europe to Americas so attending Online, might be able to voluenteer online if needed however, not sure about dayjob and other stuff several months in advance
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16 Feb 2024
@anston06:matrix.orgAnston Sorensen joined the room.02:25:31
@anston06:matrix.orgAnston SorensenHey, where can I ask about how to do something (I need help with GObject stuff)02:26:07
@sri:gnome.orgsri 🚀Ask in #gnome 02:46:07
@ebassi:gnome.orgEmmanuele Bassi Anston Sorensen: if you have development-related questions, ask in #newcomers:gnome.org 16:12:43
@ebassi:gnome.orgEmmanuele Bassi #gnome:gnome.org is for user questions 16:13:05
19 Feb 2024
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21 Feb 2024
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22 Feb 2024
@sri:gnome.orgsri 🚀https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-bbuft-1572c24 - I haven't watched it yet - but it involves DelL Technologies and the troll "Year of the Desktop" that really triggers me something fierce. But perhaps, Barton would be interested in being a stakeholder in the app ecosystem.21:08:55
23 Feb 2024
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko sri 🚀: pretty sure we had achieved the YotLD in 2021 already as seen in this short documentary 03:43:35
@nekohayo:matrix.orgnekoI'm kind of surprised to see a Dell-related podcast that claims victory 15 years down the road when... I dunno, have we really seen any significant support and frontline availability of Dell products with Linux distros preinstalled? Today, just like back in 2010, it is nearly impossible to find a list of Linux-ready products on Dell's website.03:54:03
@nekohayo:matrix.orgneko the one machine I can find with Linux preinstalled available is that 6 thousand dollars workstation 03:54:52
@nekohayo:matrix.orgnekolistened to the 2nd half of the podcast with Barton now and... seemed like a big nothingburger of a discussion03:56:17
@nielsdg:gnome.orgnielsdg neko: I know from a RHEL point of view, their Client group intensively collaborate with us and their vendors to have everything nicely supported upstream (see for example their list of RHEL-certified hardware here: https://catalog.redhat.com/hardware/search?system_types=Desktop%2FWorkstation|Laptop&partnerName=Dell|Dell%20Technologies&p=1). But you're correct that that is mostly targeting high-end devices 09:09:42
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@nekohayo:matrix.orgnekoYeah I can guess it is something that works only in public-sector-and-enterprise-type deals, but it's unfortunate that it's basically undiscoverable and unavailable to the general public 🤷️15:35:40
@nielsdg:gnome.orgnielsdgYeha, the general problem there is usually that OEMs usually aren't too convinced that it's a very profitable market16:32:45
@nielsdg:gnome.orgnielsdg * Yeah, the general problem there is usually that OEMs usually aren't too convinced that it's a very profitable market16:32:50
24 Feb 2024
@sri:gnome.orgsri 🚀
In reply to @nekohayo:matrix.org
I'm kind of surprised to see a Dell-related podcast that claims victory 15 years down the road when... I dunno, have we really seen any significant support and frontline availability of Dell products with Linux distros preinstalled? Today, just like back in 2010, it is nearly impossible to find a list of Linux-ready products on Dell's website.
Actually it was an Intel podcast. :)
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